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[-] Cornpop@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Because he’s a horrible candidate and I think there’s a good chance he loses to trump. It’s terrifying. If he loses fuck all of you.

[-] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 0 points 6 days ago

The bots/trolls and the right want him to drop out because they know come November, the rapist with 34 felonies is going to take a bigger beating than he took last time. They're desperate. Do not fall for the bullshit and misinformation, VOTE. If you can, volunteer, give people rides, whatever it takes.

[-] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 173 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Obviously because he's a weak candidate (and has been from the very beginning) in what might well be the highest stakes presidential race in US history.

The debate didn't suddenly create some notion of his weakness as a candidate - long before the debate, his prospects were already shaky at best, and the Dem establishment had already had to resort to basically trying to guilt trip people into voting for him.

All the debate did as far as any of that goes is drive home the point that people have been trying to make from the beginning - that he is and always has been a weak and uninspiring candidate at best.

And I'd say that rather obviously, if anyone's repeating the mistakes of 2016, it's the Dem establishment.

And on a bit of a side note - in response to the author's smugly self-congratulatory view that the voters are mindless automatons who just blindly do as the media tells them, I would just like to offer up a hearty, "fuck you."

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

All the debate did as far as any of that goes is drive home the point that people have been trying to make from the beginning - that he is and always has been a weak and uninspiring candidate at best

And Biden knew it too, it's why the man who wouldn't shut up for decades suddenly disappeared from the public eye.

He did less than a tenth of the press conferences as the last two presidents in their first term.

If they wouldn't have been hiding him, Dem voters would have seen how bad he's gotten.

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I should also add that his ABC interview on Friday only intensified my concerns. To me, all it really communicated is that he actually IS so wrapped up in his own ego and hubris that he doesn’t actually get that this is an existential election, and that the consequences for failure are well and truly catastrophic. Like, there’s a good chance we won’t have functional democratic processes anymore if he looses. But he thinks that’s fine because “he will have given it his all”, ignoring the fact that “his all” is shuffling around, trying to compromise with fascists, and bringing a deck of cards to the gunfight that American politics have devolved into these days.

Really, it’s an evolution of the concerns I had in the 2020 elections, which have kind of proven out to be completely true: that despite some clear domestic policy successes, he’s more or less out of touch with the fact that he’s playing with an absurdly outdated rule book, and does not seem to understand that the rules have fundamentally changed. He doesn’t get that a lot of his old bipartisan negotiating tactics are straight up self-defeating these days.

I am genuinely and deeply worried at this point that his refusal to see past his own personal situation in all of this is going to lead to the conclusion of the American experiment in its current incarnation, and replace it with something far, far darker.

Edit: if you’re downvoting this, I am actually genuinely curious as to which parts of this you disagree with, or think are wrongheaded.

[-] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

I'm glad you mentioned his interview increased your concern. I thought it was just me. I'll vote for whoever is the Democrat on the ballot - but I'm not the person the campaign should be worried about. They have to put someone on the ballot who can win (which, as damning as it is to America broadly, is probably a good-looking, smooth-talking white guy who will look better on stage than Trump).

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[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I get so frustrated, and I'm sure others too, that I've been saying this for the entirety of the Biden presidency. Now that it's 10 minutes to midnight everyone decides to talk about it. My voice has been ignored, I've been shutdown and basically forced out of any discussion when I brought this shit up.

The problem isn't that the media changed. The problem isn't that the DNC changed. The problem isn't progressives changed. The problem is the voting public decided just now to actually show up. Democracy is dying not because the Republicans are political juggernauts it's because Americans can't get it up unless it's fucking a giant production.

So you mother fuckers better do everything you fucking can to keep Trump out because I cant fucking even with you guys anymore.

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[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago

The ~~media~~ DNC is once again repeating the mistakes of 2016

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Pokemon go to the polls? No. This time we need you to walk tuah polling place and vote on that thang.

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[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 15 points 1 week ago

Two different groups can be fucking things up in depressingly familiar fashion at once

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[-] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 week ago

Just the pundit class? 🤨

[-] nieceandtows@programming.dev 31 points 1 week ago

Welcome to the pundit class

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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago

Because they probably watched the same disaster of a debate that I did.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago

It is very clear that the people who oppose Trump fall into one of two camps right now:

Those who watched the debate and his ABC interview, and those who did not.

If you watched, you're alarmed.

If not, you are feeling like this alarm is better worth ignored. And you should go watch the debate and interview.

Smerconish's piece on it was exactly it. https://youtu.be/CgZRz2vdnp8

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[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because it drives ratings and all the dumbasses who pick it up and run with it are the same ones who followed "this is how Bernie can still win." I've already seen multiple people say "we could have AOC!" as if that is at all realistic. And although she is the most "out there" fan fic pick there are still plenty of others who would immediately be torn apart.

Choosing a different horse at this point leads to a Mondale style wipeout.

Funny how everyone latches onto "generic democrat polls better" polls that would IMMEDIATELY shift as soon Biden drops and they come in.

It would:

  1. signal Democrats have no idea what they're doing
  2. Put out the feeling they're terrified
  3. Open up a new candidate to attacks "they're too left, they're too soft on crime, they're ...."
  4. Give up the incumbency advantage and it IS an advantage.

Why anyone is still on this "drop out Biden" crap is beyond me. His interview was fine (notice how no one is bringing that up in comparison to one bad debate). Trump has MULTIPLE times looked confused and out of it on this campaign trail let alone all the years before (notice how no one brings that up.) Project 2025 should scare the living daylights out of anyone- Republican, Democrat, or independent and especially in light of the relatively progressive and largely relaxed time of Biden's admin..

To me this is nothing but a Republican plan come to fruition by latching on whatever they could and a bunch of dummies running with it. And by dummies I mean people who don't like Biden and see this as their perfect chance to drop him, even if their preferred younger candidate gets absolutely stomped in the election. They'd rather have "their way" even if it means giving up the presidency.

Hold the line- Biden will be fine.

[-] mikegioia@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago

For me it was seeing a news article montage showing literally the exact same headlines from 2016 about Hillary Clinton. It’s just the same play from a tired playbook.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 19 points 1 week ago

And you know what? It's working. Because the media is a big bag of chucklefucks who will all be looking around like "we're all looking for the guy that did this" when Project 2025 comes for them.

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[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's silly to talk about a "pundit class". It's not like they're a group with any coherent ideas, much less any sort of persistent group loyalty. They're just people with opinions and a platform.

This article tries to make it sound like he's a really popular candidate and there's some shady group of kingmakers trying to block him.

The main reason that people are pushing for him to step aside is that they don't believe he can beat Trump. It's not that people were grumpy about a raspy voice. There was already a lot of suspicion that he's going senile. He got the benefit of the doubt and the debate was his chance to prove the doubters wrong. Instead he confirmed their deepest fears. Since then, he's provided a steady stream of examples of his diminishing mental capacity.

A formal cognitive assessment might lay those fears to rest but, at this point, it's unlikely. For many people, the conclusion is clear; the evidence is in and he forgets what he's talking about mid-sentence. Many people look at the polling numbers around that just want someone who has a chance of beating Trump.

[-] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Don't disagree, but also curious why the same pundits aren't ripping apart Trump's senility? 30 seconds of watching a Daily Show weekly roundup will provide COUNTLESS examples of Trump rambling endlessly and forgetting what he was even talking about. Just because it wasn't as stark at the debate doesn't' mean it isn't happening. I'd also imagine that Trump was probably coked out of his mind at the debate after he spent weeks leading up to it claiming Biden would be on drugs. He has a well-documented history of projecting whatever he's doing wrong on his opposition.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 17 points 6 days ago

Because Trump's senility doesn't matter; Republicans are going to vote for him regardless

[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago

It's because we're talking about two entirely different groups of people.

More and more Democrats are calling for Biden to withdraw because they don't believe he can beat Trump.

Republicans are happy to stick with Trump because they're fairly sure he can trounce Biden.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 12 points 6 days ago

Don’t disagree, but also curious why the same pundits aren’t ripping apart Trump’s senility

Republicans are held to a lower standard.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago

Those articles are out there.

The key differences are Trump is the popular candidate. He is who the GOP electorate wants and who the GOP runs on.

Biden is not a popular candidate and not who the Democratic party electorate necessarily wants: instead his whole candidacy and presidency has solely been not being Trump. This condition is fully transferrable to any candidate with support of the party.

So the ramifications and implications are wildly different.

[-] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago

Biden is not a popular candidate and not who the Democratic party electorate necessarily wants: instead his whole candidacy and presidency has solely been not being Trump. This condition is fully transferrable to any candidate with support of the party.

Biden may not be a popular candidate on Lemmy, but he absolutely was prior to that debate showing with the general public. It turns out moderates and independents make up a large portion of the voting block and they aren't all drooling at the prospects of Bernie Sanders. They WANT a boring president.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago

They want a competent president. Biden has been showing these signs for quite some time to a lot of resistance towards anyone willing to acknowledge it. But now? Shit I've seen hard leftists express willingness to support Kamala Harris so I think people are mostly on board for not-Biden in general.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

he absolutely was prior to that debate showing with the general public

Only 25% of Democrats wanted him to run, he is not a popular candidate

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

My guess is - people have heard so many articles about Trump fucking up that they don't get clicks any more. Tearing into Biden is much more lucrative, plus people then argue about it in comments (just look around here) further driving engagement.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

the fact we should even need a cognitive test is Ludacris. age limits for presidential and high court positions. past retirement age? gtfo

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

past retirement age? gtfo

That has the unintended consequence of encouraging them to raise the retirement age.

Better plan: base it on lifespan, cap it at some percentage of the average age of death. They want to stay in office longer? Gonna have to raise the average lifespan. Public healthcare would probably get them the biggest bang for their buck

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I'm ok with that too.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 5 days ago

I wouldn't base it on lifespan because keeping people alive longer doesn't necessarily require them to be able to work longer.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

It's clearly because the evil media is out to get Perfect Young Biden. There can be no other possible explanation.

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Look who pays their bills.

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Wow, this is written by one truly oblivious journalist

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