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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by felipeforte@lemmygrad.ml to c/lemmygrad_court@lemmygrad.ml

We've always noticed something odd with user @Skipper1402@lemmygrad.ml, but we haven't formalized any space for discussion about them.

People have noticed they are apparently collecting info about us and our community. Have you interacted with this user? What do you think about it?

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[-] davel@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

FWIW, I didn’t think there was anything nefarious going on. The whole site can be trivially downloaded, if someone wants to collect info, and the questions weren’t especially probing.

[-] SovietReporter@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 months ago

Hello everyone, I am here to disclose that skipper1402 is an alt account made so that I can separate my regular posts from shower thoughts and other silly questions that are on my mind lately. I will also reply to this post with the account, confirming the ownership of the skipper alt account that was active on asklemmygrad. thank you for understanding.

[-] landlords_morghulis@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 months ago

I tend to ignore their questions because they're generic and uninteresting. They also often feel like they're framed to extract something while contributing no engagement themselves, which makes me somewhat distrustful of their motive.

Personally, I like engaging in discussions where someone has genuine interest and passion about about the subject. That just doesn't exist with this user. Why ask a question and have no meaningful interaction with the response? That just doesn't comport with typical human interaction in my experience; it feels more like filling out some kind of personality test (sidenote: always refuse to do those, esp of employers. You can sell your labour, but your mind and privacy are your own). If they are making some use of the feedback, it's not demonstrated here.

At the most benign, maybe this user is just doing a poor job of starting conversations.

At the most malicious / tinfoil, they could be looking for specific opinions which may have been expressed on other social media and matching responses and speech patterns to potentially known real identities.

[-] davel@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 months ago

Can we unpin this now, please? No reason to continue dragging it out.

[-] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 months ago

I think this user is likely benign, but they should avoid posting questions that could lead to opsec and security risks in the future.

[-] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 months ago

I've avoided their question posts, because they look silly, boring and too personal. Sometimes they look like they are trying to generate reactions (like the Gonzalo boiling babies question). I don't know if they are collecting info or not. My guess was that they were just being weird or they were a bot posting things from a list.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Btw it’s been settled. Below, I showed the alts and one admitted to being the same.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago

They’re an alt of cyberghost, and I tend to ignore the questions bc they’re boring.

I also know because they post most of the stuff from the accounts on matrix. Assuming their honesty, they’re just a terminally online dude with multiple lemmygrad accounts and way more Reddit alts lol. Yes, I find the way they engage online annoying. I don’t know if it’s suspicious.

[-] SovietReporter@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Hello everyone, I am here to disclose that skipper1402 is an alt account made so that I can separate my regular posts from shower thoughts and other silly questions that are on my mind lately. I will also reply to this post with the account, confirming the ownership of the skipper alt account that was active on asklemmygrad. thank you for understanding.

[-] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Could you mind cutting it back with your posts and questions? Maybe once a week for a question that's been bugging you and that you couldn't find on Google?

You just sound like a chatbot when you ask questions that would be answered by reading the first few paragraphs of any of Marx's writing.

[-] SovietReporter@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago

After all this ordeal, I just decided to not ask questions anymore. Like after reading what was thought about my questions and speaking with comrades on the GenZedong Matrix Server about it, I just decided not to ask more questions here. I will just improve my SearXing skills.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago

Alright. So when you posted your questions, what in general is your opinion of the replies you receive on them? Because some people here wrote lengthy replies to your questions, but they didn't get much engagement or acknowledgement from you. Rarely you would retort with a one line follow up question. But most of the time it was just radio silence. So did you not like how people were answering your questions? Or something else?

[-] SovietReporter@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago

On the contrary, I liked them so I upvoted them or if I didn’t like them, I downvoted them. I just didn’t have anything else to add or didn’t have a lot of time to engage. I appreciate their answers.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Alright. I've just one last question for you.

Who's better? David Bowie or Lionel Messi?

[-] SovietReporter@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

I don’t watch soccer 😅

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[-] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 months ago

I mean you can create a shower thought community

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[-] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Nothing suspicious atm. Given the comments so far I can see they're benign.

[-] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

I've long noticed they were odd. Since we're putting it out in the open. They've long glowed so to speak to me. They're just off, not quite human, they don't put any cards on the table yet ask questions all the time, they demand info from others yet contribute nothing, just fish and ask and ask without giving back.

Let's start with two odd things though which deepen the puzzle.

  1. Their name has a string of numbers at the end, it's a word and then numbers. That's a big red flag for persona-management software bot accounts, you see them all the time. Then again it could be a reddit carryover as redditors threw random numbers in their names.

  2. They use a display name of "general" which I believe is designed to obfuscate their posts and confuse people into thinking they're coming from a community called general and which on many apps appeared even more so.

On the point of this discussion I want to raise one very important thing: Lemmygrad like all of lemmy is public-ally viewable and scrapeable. Banning this person wouldn't prevent them from viewing and collecting data. It wouldn't stop them from creating a new account and if they can pass vetting once they can do so twice (if their account pre-dates vetting like mine then maybe there's something to be said for that).

I think they are very suspicious. I've long thought they were suspicious. If someone had created a private space for ML's here and I was invited into it the first thing I would say is "don't let this person in".

They're trawling for info, they're doing it fairly carefully, they're not being super obvious but they could definitely have done better for example if I were an intelligence agency I'd have gone about it a bit more sophisticatedly (I won't elaborate to avoid giving anyone ideas).

That or they have some unhealthy obsession with Just Asking Questions type posting that risks compromising security, makes them look strange, and which I think would get them kicked out of any org because they're not a constructive member and they are setting off alarm bells with their behavior.

For all I know they could be a spammer account playing the long game trying to age up on lemmy as if it's reddit and they're half automated with some sort of AI. That would be fairly benign, there are other options a lot more concerning that range from fed intelligence, fed police, state/local police, private forces of capital that liaison with above, private "researcher" types (note: no above board real sociologists could be running their account as those always disclose to subjects who they are, it's a basic rule. but it could be like those computer science professor nerds from Canada who wrote that paper on extremism about us using data-scraping), to professional anti-communist activist trying to do doxing in the weirdest and perhaps least effective way yet (though if they're very patient maybe they're trying to normalize their question asking and presence first and are willing to wait years for fruit).

Hell they could be some sort of AI bot. Remember Grace and those bots she ran to generate engagement here early on? That type of thing run by someone for benevolent, malevolent, or simply orthogonal reasons such as training.

I'm not sure banning them would necessarily accomplish anything. If they're a determined actor they might just return and perhaps take greater pains to hide their actions. I'd be interested to see how they react, if they have anything to say for themselves at all that resolves any questions. At least right now we know their name, and most people who've been paying attention know their history when they see it. That's worth something, more than banning them and having them come back on another account and having to spot this suspicious behavior all over again with the disadvantage that they know we're onto them and know they must adapt to avoid being banned again.

As long as it's all kept public anyways and people behave rationally in terms of opsec I'm not sure they're anything but a curiosity and occasional annoyance. And a celebrity one at that now at this point.

[-] xkyfal18@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago
[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago

It's because the community is locked to local users only.

[-] xkyfal18@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago
[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 months ago

It doesn't explain why that feature created that bug, but that's when it happend

[-] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Off topic but this might be the buggiest thread in the history of lemmygrad

[-] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 months ago

There's bigger :P

You can sort by "most comments" on the homepage

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 months ago

Yogthos powered lib rage accounts for 3/4ths of the biggest threads on Lemmygrad.

[-] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago

I originally read your comment as "biggest" thread, but I can't delete or edit lol.

[-] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Proves my point even further, lmao

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 months ago

I have not talked to them directly. Though I did try to ask them once about posting a rephrased question they had already asked and got no response, that post is here: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4739013/4393187

Being curious on its own is not strange to me - what struck me as odd a while back is the phrasing of some of their questions, such as this one, which reads to me more like a "leading question" than a sincere inquiry when ignorant: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4575699

It is possible, of course, to ask questions in an ignorant way without having ill intent. But considering the nature of this space and the kind of opposition communism has, it strikes me as odd more so than normal.

I have some vague ideas that float in my head about why, but nothing concrete that seems worth sharing as more than wild speculation. I would more be interested in hearing them offer an explanation from their own perspective.

[-] 666@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

every post here.

[-] nephs@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Why is every answer in this thread downvoted?

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 months ago

I believe it's a special setting for the comm, where votes are turned off entirely.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

It's probably a bug related to the community being local only.

[-] davel@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago
[-] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

I like that votes are turned off tbh, we should keep that as a feature after the bug is fixed.

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Oh ok, my mistake. I had remembered a convo about it, but apparently remembered incorrectly.

[-] trashxeos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Personally, I found the framing on some of their questions a bit off-putting. I can't nail down why but when I looked through their post history it didn't quite feel right. It could just be that they're a terminally online western leftist who is still learning, as I was only too recently, or it could be something nefarious. Either way, I personally blocked the account, just because it felt like the safe way to handle it for me.

[-] ahriboy@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Skipper should not leak anything that could compromise the security of the instance. I haven't interacted with Skipper yet. If he continues to collect info about use then our privacy might be compromised.

[-] davel@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago

This is a publicly-accessible ActivityPub platform: one should never presume privacy.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Haven't interacted much, but I agree with @-6-6-6. They seem to be collecting information. Though why I don't know. Personally I'm erring on the side of them wanting to be intellectually lazy and have others tell them how to be a good communist instead of reading theory and forming their own ideas.

[-] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

It makes me uncomfortable for sure, I never said anything because I thought it's not my business what other people ask about, but the nature of these questions made me feel odd, and I usually never engaged with their posts for this reason. However I do notice that a lot of us here did engage, some in jest, others more seriously, and in every single instance, all they've done is either ask follow up questions to any serious responses, or clarify their question to those asking for specifics. Not a single time have I seen any sort of personal opinion, be that of their own position on something, why they asked the question to begin with, or even in some cases whether their question had even been answered adequately.

I thought maybe they might just be an engagement junkie or something, since such broad and vague posts can get a lot of traction, but some of the stuff they ask is weirdly personal, which makes sense if they were trying to build a profile about the kind of users Lemmygrad has.

Whether that's for benign or malicious purposes, I can't say, but I would really appreciate it if they could actually come forward and explain themselves.

If they choose to ignore this attention altogether that will only make their case even more puzzling.

[-] 666@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Cool, I apologize for the triple-post if one is able to see them. They are marked with "Unable to find comment" whenever I try to delete them or get rid of them. Happened during my browser crashing.

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