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[-] JesusSon@lemmy.world 189 points 3 months ago

I hope all these sources get on the same page soon because I have some old head friends who read all this stuff and believe he was a Chinese national working for the Iranians, set up next to snipers in a building cleared by locals. They say he was then confronted after he climbed a ladder but before he bear-crawled 25 feet to aim, only to be interrupted by local cops forcing him to fire quickly but was killed by snipers who had been watching him use a range finder for hours.

Please get it together, all these 50-year-old conspiracy theorists are going to start having heart attacks lol.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 75 points 3 months ago

Gen X isn’t the problem here. It’s boomers. It’s always been boomers who were the problem.

[-] JesusSon@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Oh now there old friend, I wasn't making a generalization as to a whole ass generation. I am sure I could commiserate with you as to the fuckery boomers have shit down our backs since they traded in free love for free hate but I try real hard not to drag ass on a bitch after 5pm if you get my meaning.

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 17 points 3 months ago

It's the 1% vs the working class, not generation vs generation

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Then Trump will only have 1% of the vote then, I feel better.

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[-] match@pawb.social 14 points 3 months ago

you have to forgive them for forgetting about Gen X, it is sort of a theme

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[-] Delusional@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

All that lead they consumed growing up. Distorted their brains and making them clinically insane.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 116 points 3 months ago

in group text:

sends pic of shooter

"Hey, this guy looks kinda sus, huh?"

[-] Ste41th@lemmy.ml 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

replys

Chief just now

“He’s just laying on the building maybe he’s just using the range finder to get a better view, idk though we’ll see what happens lol 😌”

[-] YungOnions@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago

Kudos for the layout formatting 👍

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[-] FarFarAway@startrek.website 98 points 3 months ago

At this point, I'm almost convinced they purposefully gave him the chance to take his shot.

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[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 93 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is such a clown show...

One sniper inside spotted the gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, outside and looking up at the roof, observing the building and disappearing, according to the officer who spoke to CBS News. The sniper observed Crooks as he returned to the building, sat down and looked at his phone. At that point, one of the local snipers took a picture of Crooks.

Next, the local sniper observed Crooks looking through a rangefinder, an instrument routinely used by marksmen to determine the distance of a target, and he immediately radioed to the command post, according to the local law enforcement officer. The local sniper also attempted to send the photo of the gunman up the chain of command.

Officials then lost track of Crooks, who disappeared, but soon returned for a third time with a backpack. The local sniper team called for backup — alerting the command post that the gunman had a backpack and was walking toward the back of the building.

Two other municipal police officers who heard the call for back-up attempted to climb onto the roof. Butler County Sheriff Michael Sloupe told CBS Pittsburgh station KDKA that an armed municipal officer with Butler Township was hoisted by another officer onto the roof of the building where the gunman had taken a position. Crooks focused his rifle towards the officer who ultimately let go, falling off the roof. Moments later, the shooter began firing into the crowd.

In a reasonable world, Crooks wouldn't have even been allowed to go near the building. In a less reasonable world, Crooks would have been confronted by armed men as soon as they saw him look through a rangefinder. In a world that was the least bit reasonable, Crooks would have been shot the moment he took a gun out of his bag. But here we are.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 67 points 3 months ago

You’re forgetting that this stuff is very often just security theater and many officers are playing dress up. When shit goes down, nobody is ever prepared even when they have the correct training.

[-] blackbirdbiryani@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Yea, but this was secret service. They're supposed to be the best of the best. I guess not.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That's the biggest problem--there is no best of the best. It's all just hubris and who you are connected to. What separates someone in the secret service from a regular police officer is who they know and probably what sort of military background they have.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

In a reasonable world Crooks wouldn't have had that weapon to begin with

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 months ago

Apart from all the actual missed confrontations, it seems like you should just pay someone to be up on any building that's a security risk. They don't have to be super vigilant or highly trained, just the equivalent of a traffic cop working a construction site. Their presence alone would remove it as a threat.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 months ago

You'd think so, but apparently a slightly sloped roof is more that the Secret Service can handle.

Secret Service Chief: Trump Shooter’s Sloped Roof Left Unmanned Due to Safety Concerns

[-] finley@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

this is... ugh, so bad

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[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago

pulls out range finder from ~130 yards away. Proceeds to miss 7/8 shots completely on a 6ft3" 240lb man from the prone.

[-] scops@reddthat.com 83 points 3 months ago

He was a 20 year old kid who knew he was seconds away from death, who had just scared off a cop who had come up the ladder after him. I'm not sympathetic for him, but I could understand him being jittery and missing. Paper and clays don't shoot back. It's not true practice.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Yah, jesus, I get shaky just lining up a nice sized deer still, and I've been hunting for years. And I don't have anyone breathing down my neck and 30 seconds to shoot.

The fact he just barely missed with a shitty AR-15 at over a hundred yards is a minor miracle.

[-] CTDummy@lemm.ee 26 points 3 months ago

Didn’t the first shot only miss because Trump turned his head? After the first one you’ve got to deal with recoil/nerves.

[-] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

No fucking way is trump 240.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Snopes said 244 I rounded down.

[-] scutiger@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Don't know if it's true, but word is he's been on Ozempic recently. He has lost a noticeable amount of weight, but 6'3" and 240, he definitely ain't.

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[-] OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

A 100 yard shot with iron sights is much harder than most people understand.

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[-] poorlytunedAstring@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

This is the fundamental problem with protecting a candidate whose entire base is really big on guns, big on having guns on them, big on using every inch of their already permissive rights, and no matter what, the candidate's rally is a highly likely place for them to flex their pieces, even if they can only wave them around in the parking lot.

You can't just do the obvious thing and put rounds in everyone you see with a rifle. White girls are going to be out in the parking lot doing influencer dances with AR-15s. The muzzle might wave in Trump's direction while she boot scoots. We don't know what kind of orders that sniper had, but probably something along the lines of "look all these fuckers are going to be strapped if they can be strapped, stay chilly on the trigger and think twice, take no shots without orders."

By the time anybody acted like a clear threat, the bullets were already flying. So what if he had a rangefinder? That doesn't count as a "pull trigger now" level threat, not with this crowd. What an absolute bastard of a thing to provide overwatch for, you know?

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[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 27 points 3 months ago

If only there was ONE MORE ~~GUN~~ ~~OFFICER~~ ~~SNIPER~~ he would NOT have been able to get a shot off!

[-] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

It takes seventy trigger happy good guys to kill... Somebody.

[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 months ago

If only everyone in the crowd carried sniper rifles.

[-] sparkle@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Trump wasn't carrying. There's your problem. He didn't have self-defense and white boy goated with the sauce almost caught him lacking, but instead of busting it down sexual style he let us down failure style

[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Kind of surprising they didn't blast him as soon as he pulled out the rangefinder.

[-] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 3 months ago
[-] bazus1@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Sounds about white.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Can I assume the picture is in the article? No? Then it didn’t happen. /s

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