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[-] Blackout@kbin.run 106 points 2 months ago

It was little Bobby Tables

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[-] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 72 points 2 months ago

Alright who's running the database on the same machine as the server...👀

[-] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 68 points 2 months ago

If you can do this, do it. It's a huge boost to performance thanks to infinitely lower latency.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 months ago

And infinitely lower reliability because you can't have failovers (well you can, but people that run everything in the same host, won't). It's fine for something non critical, but I wouldn't do it with anything that pays the bills.

[-] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I work for a company that has operated like this for 20 years. The system goes down sometimes, but we can fix it in less than an hour. At worst the users get a longer coffee break.

A single click in the software can often generate 500 SQL queries, so if you go from 0.05 ms to 1 ms latency you add half a second to clicks in the UI and that would piss our users off.

Definitely not saying this is the best way to operate at all times. But SQL has a huge problem with false dependencies between queries and API:s that make it very difficult to pipeline queries, so my experience has been that I/O-bound applications easily become extremely sensitive to latency.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I’m going to guess quite a people here work on businesses where “sometimes breaks, but fixed in less than an hour” isn’t good enough for reliability.

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[-] dan@upvote.au 3 points 2 months ago

A single click in the software can often generate 500 SQL queries, so if you go from 0.05 ms to 1 ms latency you add half a second to clicks

Those queries don't all have to be executed sequentially though, do they? Usually if you have that many queries, at least some of them are completely independent of the others and thus can execute concurrently.

You don't even need threading for that, just non-blocking IO and ideally an event loop.

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[-] crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz 48 points 2 months ago

Most beginner selfhosters.

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 months ago

and most every cpanel (and every other web host panel) box on the planet.

web, ftp, database, mail, dns, and more. all on one machine.

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 70 points 2 months ago

Ok, now I need a 8 season animated show and at least 2 direct-to-TV movies of this

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 25 points 2 months ago

Best I can do is a Netflix series that gets cancelled halfway through season 2 and a fan-made animation spoof on YouTube

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[-] msage@programming.dev 60 points 2 months ago

Fuck MySQL, all my homies hate MySQL.

Postgres is the way to go.

[-] kitnaht@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago
[-] msage@programming.dev 14 points 2 months ago

Yes, Maria too.

Postgre is the way

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

It was you! You killed it.

[-] msage@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago

I do admit to moving the company cluster from MySQL to Postgres.

But only most of the traffic, some traces still remain, so the original MySQL still works

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago
[-] msage@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago

I did two rounds of very long presentations comparing those two systems.

Personal reasons:

  • SQL standard support is still very weak
  • lack of WAL
  • array support
  • weird replication support
  • utf8mb4 mess took too long to resolve
  • many things started to get better only after Oracle takeover
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[-] esc27@lemmy.world 60 points 2 months ago

Random guess, a php error caused Apache to log a ridiculous number of errors to /var/log and on this system that isn’t its own partition so /var filled up crashing MySQL. The user wiped /var/log to free up space.

[-] harmsy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

That's not far off of something that happened to me once a few years ago. My computer suddenly started struggling one day, and I quickly figured out that my hard drive suddenly had 500 gigs or so of extra data somewhere. I had to find a tool that would let me see how much space a given folder was taking up, and eventually I found an absolutely HUMONGOUS error log file. After I cleared it out, the file rapidly filled up again when I used a program I'd been using all the time. I think it was Minecraft or something. Anyway, my duck tape solution was to just make that log file read-only, since the error in question didn't actually affect anything else.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 54 points 2 months ago

Plot twist: it was the user

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 2 months ago

That's not even a plot twist, that's expected user behavior

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 50 points 2 months ago

All evidence point to suicide.

[-] Unbecredible@lemm.ee 28 points 2 months ago

I hadn't realized this was a .ru domain....

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 21 points 2 months ago

Maybe it's a 'Windows' server...

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

Systemd. SQL is now in Systemd.

[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Dont spoil. That's the secret in Episode 5.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

I understand none of this.....

[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago

"Among us" but for Linux nerds.

[-] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 months ago

It was Java, coaxing the Linux OOM killer into doing the job

[-] tal@lemmy.today 22 points 2 months ago

It looks like the OOM killer has struck again.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

This process has been murdered mysteriously.

[-] Rexelpitlum@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 2 months ago

/var/log has been deleted, you say...

I think we all know what this means, don't we?

[-] Rexelpitlum@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 months ago

Hint

ls -ld /var/log
drwxrwxr-x 18 root syslog 4096 Aug 11 08:13 /var/log

[-] verstra@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago

I have no clue. Root nuked the logs? Why? OOM killer does not do that.

[-] Rexelpitlum@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 months ago

Well, there is only one who could have erased all traces of the SIGKILL...

And only the SIGKILLER would have had reason to do so...

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[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago

That seems so obvious I think we're missing something

[-] Rexelpitlum@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 months ago

Whatever, we have a suspect.

Bring in GDB to do the interrogation! And perhaps also call Nice, he can play the good cop...

[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

Forgive me my ignorance, but since Apache is running as root, couldn't PHP inherit it's permissions?

[-] lawrence@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

The Apache main process runs as root. When it receives a request, it spawns a child process that doesn't run as root. PHP runs as the same user as the Apache child process.

[-] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Or PHP runs in its own fastcgi like process under a different account.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago
[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Will there be a follow up?

[-] Tamkish@programming.dev 14 points 2 months ago

I did it like this: 🔫 BANG WhooOooOoopty doOoO

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 12 points 2 months ago

It was the kubelet after MySQL failed his liveness probes

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago
[-] ggppjj@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

It was taking away resources from the coffee cam. Had to go.

[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Like everytime with natives, it was a race condition cascade of table locks followed by mysql suicide caused by bad cronjob scripts implemented by the user.

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[-] TeoTwawki@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Mariadb did it with the candlestick in the library.

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