It’s like how 15 years ago, everything became an app
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There was a stretch of the mid-late 20th century where advertisers would describe things as “space aged” that had nothing to do with space travel technology.
That's right up there with "Military Grade".
It makes me irrationally mad that machine learning has been renamed to "AI" through deliberate misuse
Well machine learning as always been a subfield of AI
Was it? Maybe in western parlance it was, but I think that's completely inaccurate and is being pushed by companies to market their products
Like, why would you call decision trees or linear regression "Intelligent"? I feel like we're just watering down what intelligence means at this point
why would you call decision trees or linear regression “Intelligent”?
That's all liberal intelligence is
The bourgies want to devalue humans with this. Equal the humans to machines to bring more slavery.
I feel like we shouldn't be surprised given the inaccurate mainstreaming of therapy jargon.
There is a disconnect between what computer scientists understands as AI and what the general public understands as AI. This was previously not a problem, nerds give confusing names to stuff all the time, but it became a problem after this latest hype cycle where incurious laypeople are in charge of the messaging (or in a less charitable interpretation, benefit from fear of the singularity™). Doesn't help that scientific communication is dogshit.
There is a disconnect between what computer scientists understands as AI and what venture capitalists are aggressively marketing as AI.
speech recognition has always been ai hasnt it?
the human input they're talking about is called labelling. it means humans have to listen to the audio theyve collected and manually transcribe it to train the voice recongition system.
I don’t recall it being called “AI” until it became the big new thing to slap onto your product to pump up your company’s value before you run away with the money after the inevitable collapse because you’re trying to invent something that already exists.
The phrase “AI” started out meaning a computer that was actually sentient, and the requirements have become more and more loosened and lax that machine learning now counts as “AI”.
Video game bad guys that follow a simple script have been called AI since forever. Even more than two years ago
The phrase “AI” started out meaning a computer that was actually sentient, and the requirements have become more and more loosened and lax that machine learning now counts as “AI”.
It's so annoying. You get headlines like "AI discovers faster matrix multiplication algorithm". Just from the headline, you'd assume researchers spoke to the fucking HAL 9000 and it taught them how to multiply matrices better. When in reality they just trained a neural network
It's like those hoverboards from a few years ago. They took a well known sci-fi concept, stole the name for something that literally no one recognizes as the thing they think about when they hear the term. Except this time with "AI" an entire collapsing economy uses the new fake sci-fi crap to prop itself up and then the news breathlessly reports all the spurious claims about it as true.
The phrase “AI” started out meaning a computer that was actually sentient
When did anybody use it that way?
It's literally impossible to determine for a fact that something or somebody (outside of oneself) is sentient, and our best guess for something being sentient has a requirement for having a nervous system, which artificial computers at least usually do not have, and I'm pretty sure that it did not start getting used in the context of artificial biological computers in mind.
I don't think anybody ever used the word 'AI' that way.
Pretty sure that 'AI' was never an actual term. Just a way to refer to sufficiently capable computers (with standards depending heavily on context, but I'm pretty sure usually including the ability to learn in some way).
When did anybody use it that way?
In the 90s? I mean, up to the mid to late 00s? By, like, almost everybody?
and I'm pretty sure that it did not start getting used in the context of artificial biological computers in mind.
No, it was used in the context of non-biological, sentient computers. It doesn’t matter whether or not such a thing is actually possible, that’s the way that it was used. I don’t understand why you shifted the topic to artificial biological beings and said that people weren’t using “AI” to describe that.
In the 90s? I mean, up to the mid to late 00s? By, like, almost everybody?
Pretty sure that most people consider only things with nervous systems to be able to have qualia, which is a requirement for sentience.
No, it was used in the context of non-biological, sentient computers
This thread is the first time I encounter somebody using 'AI' to refer to something sentient in general.
I don’t understand why you shifted the topic to artificial biological beings and said that people weren’t using “AI” to describe that
Because most people don't seem to think that non-biological things can have qualia (well, some religious people do seem to think that some non-biological things do, but, in that case, those things are non-material, so we can add being material to the relevant list of requirements). Unless my assessment is wildly incorrect and there are people who think so, none of them used 'AI' to refer to artificial non-biological things that are sentient.
In the case of people who think that there are material non-biological things that are sentient, I'd like to ask them how they make guesses about this stuff, and whether or not they consider their PCs as sentient, and if not, why not.
Why does everything gotta have AI working into it?
Isn't trying to Artificially Inseminate a computer gonna cause more of a mess than its worth?
Spell Check? AI
The system isn’t purely run on AI. It also relies on human input to help it learn and become more accurate.
Imagine not knowing what 'learning with a teacher' is when it comes to artificial neural networks.
I know what it means, it’s still not an “AI”.
I'm not sure if you think that I was talking about you not knowing what it means, so I'd like to note that I'm quoting the thing that is said in the video, and the quote was even provided by you yourself.
In general, though, I don't think that calling ANN/ML stuff 'AI' is unfair, given that it was never an actual term, and considering that it seems to align with how the expression 'AI' has always been used.
lmao the company running this, Hi Auto, is also an israeli firm
from what i can tell they hook into google voice's api and then hook the output into an llm to respond. the order is put into their system through RAG. this is like, script kiddie shit but they have a company of 50 people doing it (with 12 actual programmers). they also advertise 90% accuracy of the order which is fucking abysmal, any legit data scientist would be ashamed of such a low rate. it should be noted that accuracy is usually measured per token, so imagine it getting 10% of your syllables wrong in your order, which can end up with an order that is very wrong and could trigger the wrong RAG (ordering something you dont want). some of this is likely due to issues with audio quality from shit ass drive thru mics, loud motors, and bad noise cancelling. you can get a much higher accuracy spooling up a random local speech+llm model at home while picking your nose
I hate the bastardization of terminology that, up to here, has had very specific connotations. Don’t talk to me about AI unless you’re talking about some HAL 9000/Durandal “actually sentient” shit
Except for Compile, in reference to Zanac’s use of “A.I.” (in the context of the game’s dynamic difficulty mechanism), partially because that ties into the game’s backstory, and partially because Zanac whips
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