Then it sounds like your business is a failure and should be shutdown.

Yeah! I can't make money running my restaurant if I have to pay for the ingredients, so I should be allowed to steal them. How else can I make money??

Alternatively:

OpenAI is no different from pirate streaming sites in this regard (loosely: streaming sites are way more useful to humanity). If OpenAI gets a pass, so should every site that's been shut down for piracy.

In every other circumstance I can think of, “I can’t make money doing a thing unless I break the law” means don’t do that thing.

Why should AI get special treatment?

Cool. If OpenAI gets a pass, then piracy should be legal, right? I mean what good is a trademark or copyright law?

Edit: "I can't make money without stealing other people's work" is definitely a take

then perish

If I was exempt from copyright, I too could easily make oodles of money

Sounds like an argument slave owners would use. "My plantation can't make money without free labor!"

I'm going to start pirating again and if I ever get caught up I'll just inform them I'm training AI models.

I can't make money without using OpenAI's paid products for free.

Checkmate motherfucker

If your company can't exist without breaking the law, then it shouldn't exist.

Boo fucking hoo. Everyone else has to make licensing agreements for this kind of shit, pay up.

"Limiting training data to public domain books and drawings created more than a century ago might yield an interesting experiment, but would not provide AI systems that meet the needs of today's citizens."

exactly which “needs” are they trying to meet?

If a company cannot do business without breaking the law it simply is a criminal organisation. RICO act, anyone?

Then OpenAI shouldn’t exist. That’s capitalism.

Hey, me either. I guess I can steal too.

But if you're the Internet Archive, fuck you its lawsuit time. I hate this cyberpunk present.

You wouldn't download a collection of all the art and knowledge ever documented in the entire history of the known universe...

"WE'RE NOT A VIABLE BUSINESS! BWAH!"

Oh. Oh no. Such a shame.

Honestly, that sounds like a You problem, Sam.

oh good. then fuck off. who knew copyright law would eventually be the good guy in a story.

It is impossible for my turnip soup business to make money if you enforce laws that make it illegal for me to steal turnips.

Paying for turnips is not realistic.

You bureaucrats don't understand food.

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I could make a lot of money too if I could use copyrighted shit for free.

Some idea for others: If OpenAI wins, then use this case when you get busted for sellling bootleg Blu-Rays (since DVDs are long obsolete) from your truck.

"waaaaah please give us exemption so we can profit off of stolen works waaaaaaaahhhhhh"

I stand by my opinion that learning systems training on copyrighted materials isn't the problem, it's companies super eager to replace human workers with automation (or replace skilled workers with cheaper, unskilled workers). The problem is, every worker not working is another adult (and maybe some kids) not eating and not paying rent.

(And for those of you soulless capitalists out there, people without food and shelter is bad. That's a thing we won't tolerate and start looking at you lean-and-hungry-like when it happens. That's what gets us thinking about guillotines hungry for aristocrats.)

In my ideal world, everyone would have food, shelter, clothes, entertainment and a general middle-class lifestyle whether they worked or not, and intellectual-property temporary monopolies would be very short and we'd have a huge public domain. I think the UN wants to be on the same page as me, but the United States and billionaires do not.

All we'd have to worry about is the power demands of AI and cryptomining, which might motivate us to get pure-hydrogen fusion working. Or just keep developing solar, wind, geothermal and tidal power until everyone can run their AC and supercomputer.

Bet they get the pass that the Internet Archive didn't.

So say the operators of piracy websites. I'm in favor of media piracy being legalized.

Oh, poor baby can't make money with an illegal business model. How awful.

So... they are a non-profit (as they initially were) or a public research lab then. That would perfectly fine to say the path that they chose and so happen to make them unbelievably rich, is not viable.

They don't have a business if they can't legally make profit, it's not that hard. I'm sure people who are pursing superhuman intelligence can figure out that much, if not they can ask their "AI" some help to understand.

What a joke.

If openai gets to use copyrighted content for free, then so should every one else.

If that happens, no point making anything, since your stuff will get stolen anyway

They already stole my work. No respect.

He has committed the greatest crime imaginable! A crime against capitalism!

Written January of this year

JAN 8, 2:29 PM EST

I don’t mind him using copyrighted materials as long as it leads to OpenAI becoming truly open source. Humans can replicate anything found in the wild with minor variations, so AI should have the same access. This is how human creativity builds upon itself. Why limit AI? We already know all the jobs people have will be replaced anyway eventually.

If your business can't survive without theft, it isn't a business, it's a criminal organization.

Even I should get a pass to view copyrighted movies and songs. I need it to train AI (Actual Intelligence).