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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net to c/dredge_tank@hexbear.net

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John Brown killed 50 gorillion people after eating up all the grain in Kansas with his big spoon stalin-comical-spoon JB-shining-aggro

This guy is semi-notable on Twitter. He's best known for being kicked off a somewhat successful podcast for being a creep.

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[+] Sulvor@hexbear.net 104 points 9 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 51 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Once again, it’s a very lucky coincidence that the “party of personal responsibility” is never personally responsible for anything ever.

[–] BashfulBob@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

They're personally responsible for everything they've done wrong, and it's just so happens that they never do anything wrong. That's how you know they're good people. If they weren't, they'd be punishing themselves.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Reactionary Rule Number One - Never let your own bullets hit you in the face.

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago

The ears are fair game though

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago (5 children)

It's not too unreasonable and this is an argument that Norm Finkelstein has made when discussing Al Aqsa Flood. Nat Turner's rebellion was an important inspiration for John Brown, then the Harper's Ferry Raid led pretty directly to the initial events of the Civil War. But acting like it's somehow a bad thing that the American Civil War happened is the most liberal ahistorical take on American history ever. What were slaves supposed to do? Vote?

[–] BashfulBob@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

the Harper's Ferry Raid led pretty directly to the initial events of the Civil War

The ambient fear of a national slave revolt was one Confederate leadership was obsessed with, despite the fact that these slave rebellions were extremely rare and never successful. Harper's Ferry was a kind-of 9/11 of its era, because it brought the ahem Sum of All Fears to this sudden realization. And the fact that it fell flat practically overnight didn't matter. It set of a wave of Bad Vibes (by way of mass media) that rocked the Southern States by forcing leaders to acknowledge the degree to which their institution was openly reviled. The governors of the Dixie States revolted under the naive assumption that they could quench the flames of abolitionism by crushing the northern states in a military conflict.

Harper's Ferry became a rallying point for the Republican electoralists. And it likely helped mobilize support for Lincoln as a populist candidate by making the end of slavery look like a thing that was possible. But it didn't cause the Civil War, simply because it was one of the early dominoes to fall. It was merely a symptom of the disease that was slavery. In the same way that 9/11 was Blowback from half a century of American militarism and regime change in the Middle East.

The cause of the Civil War was slavery and all the events leading up to the war were also the result of slavery. It would be more accurate to say that slavery caused The Harper's Ferry Raid than that the Raid caused the War.

What were slaves supposed to do? Vote?

Obviously, they were supposed to earn their freedom by working so hard that slavery went away on its own.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

"John Brown's body is rotting in the grave; his soul is marching on!"

People who try to claim the civil war wasn't about slavery are fools or liars. The Union Marching song directly stated that the union army was the sword of an angry god coming down on the slavers in the name of freedom.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;

He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;

He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword; His truth is marching on.

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His truth is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps;

They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;

I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps, His day is marching on.

I have read His fiery gospel writ in rows of burnished steel!

-"As ye deal with my condemners, so with you My grace shall deal!

Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel, " Since God is marching on.

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;

He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment seat;

Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him; be jubilant, my feet! Our God is marching on.

In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,

With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me;

As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free! While God is marching on.

People will tell you to your face that the war was about secular economics or some shit. I'm sure the haute boug thought that, but the normal people who volunteered and marched south with guns and uniforms they bought with their own money were on a holy crusade against evil.

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[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

geordi-no Blaming

geordi-yes Giving Credit

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What were slaves supposed to do? Vote?

Yes bazinga

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

Every 3/5 counts!

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[–] RiotDoll@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

been said but the harper's ferry raid was interesting because the second it got on the telegraph wire that it was happening/happened, journalists flocked and the coverage became a huge story, and that as an event/news cycle likely spurred on the civil war in a big way lol.

Like it galvanized radical abolitionists and moderates alike, it spooked the shit out of the southern aristocracy. Both doubled down in response, the conditions for the civil war were laid

it's an interesting cause and effect. It's also nowhere close to the only cause, but it kind of was the straw that broke the camel.

edit: it's kind of weird to think about if it hadn't happened the way it did. What if it hadn't been covered in the same way? What if it was an obscure blip in west virginian history? Would we have gotten the war? would the outcome have been the same? would slavery have ended without the civil war? when? what would the post-emancipation landscape look like?

no good answers, all speculative, but it's weirdly important as an event imo. It gets silo'd off as this sort of separate prelude, but it's kind of way more important than that. John Brown and his sons are literally created martyrs and its weird. it's real weird.

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[–] buh@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

big "communists killed millions of german soldiers in the 1940s" energy

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 70 points 9 months ago (1 children)

History should not happen, actually. Everything should remain as it is, and any movement to liberate the oppressed people of the world must do so purely by begging at the feet of their oppressors.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

And don’t beg too loudly! We wouldn’t want to disturb the people eating brunch

[–] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 59 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Unlimited death and destruction on slavers and settlers, the only fault with Nat and John Brown (RIP heroes) is they didn't finish the job

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Go back in time and give John Brown some plasma rifles and Tactical Dreadnought armor

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Set your phasers to FUN"

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago

Fun in this circumstance being an acronym for Fuckin' Undo Nasty-Slaveowners

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hi John. This is a baneblade. It's what we call a "tank" and the main gun on it shoots bolts of pure heat and light that can carve craters on the moon. Conventiently, you need about twenty guys to crew this thing. Let's start going over the operation manual.

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[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 52 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't celebrate Independence Day. It only came after a bloody war and created the most genocidal state in history.

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 34 points 9 months ago

this tbf

[–] booty@hexbear.net 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

John Brown caused the civil war????? Holy shit that is a take

[–] HelluvaBottomCarter@hexbear.net 36 points 9 months ago

This guy is semi-notable on Twitter. He's best known for being kicked off a somewhat successful podcast for being a creep.

I mean, you gotta be more specific.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago

imo

Your opinion is bad and wrong dippy fresh

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I just think Nat Turner and John Brown didnt kill enough people

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 32 points 9 months ago

Society should never improve somewhat very-intelligent

[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Blaming revolutionaries for reactionaries' responses to their actions inevitably ignores the fact that the reactionaries were already doing and would continue to do the horrible acts in question. 200 people being lynched barely qualifies as an average Tuesday under chattel slavery, but anti-cracker-aktion here acts like it was an unexpected event that could only happen if the slaves dared to demand their freedom at gunpoint.

[–] VHS@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Nazis would also regularly engage in mass killing of civilians in reprisal for resistance actions in the area. Most people seem to have the good sense not to condemn anti-Fascist militancy though

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[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

what else did the civil war do mr nicholson. what was that war about mr nicholson. what happened after that war mr nicholson

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

The only history that matters is the history I've made up in my head ppb-gigachad

[–] Des@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

god i want John Brown to stop a moulderin' for five minutes and march on this guy's skull until it's kind of like a squished melon JB-shining-aggro melon-musk

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I mean to be fair it's not great to celebrate October 7 since it kicked off a horrible phase of an ongoing genocide that has left tens of thousands killed and millions homeless and destitute. October 7 was necessary, a strategic masterstroke that asserted the primacy of the Palestinian Question on the global stage, a moment of pure joy when they got past that fence, but celebrated wholesale in regards to all that's happened since? Eh mixed feelings. Hard to celebrate amidst the genocide. In 100 years though? Fuck yeah bring out the paraglider cosplays.

[–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago

Celebrate the resistance, mourn the genocide. When are people liberated without also suffering tremendously?

[–] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

While it's not great, I think we all have to agree October 7th was one of the most heroic undertakings in all of history. Isntreal has responded as they always have, but before the Palestinians had simply been dying in a slow, ignored fashion- intentional genocide by a thousand cuts. And with the Abrhams accords, that triumph of evil- of genocide, of Nazism and Manifest Destiny- was just within sight.

The genocide was always happening, and was always going to happen- the Palestinians understood they were "dead" already (just like the Warsaw uprising, Spartacus' rebellion, or- as an example of success- the Haitian revolution, when one considers the sheer human turnover- ie. death- of the plantation economy), October 7th brought them new life.

I'd not celebrate October 7th for the reasons you described (but if Palestinians wish to do so, more power to them). But the triumph of humanity, even in and in spite of the most direst of circumstances, is always a beautiful thing to behold.

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[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What podcast?

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Western Kabuki

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Western Kabuki

Lolol I'm pretty sure I beat these guys at a bar trivia.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lmao that's amazing

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

What's more amazing was it was nic cage themed. I may have been a very ungracious winner bc they were shilling their pod hard

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

Cool, so does that mean Hitler is bad because look at all the white people he got killed?

Does that mean Christopher Columbus and the savagery of Europeans in history are bad because they got modern white people in trouble? I can’t be too proud of being anti-italian-action thanks to the crimes Columbus and Moussilini did. Thanks chuds. Next time you want to “help” us white people, do that by sparing us your “help”.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Average twitter leftist: "the warsaw uprising was cringe tbh, 1/35 /thread"

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[–] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 9 months ago

the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice

mlk-yes

[–] Yor@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago

genuinely one of the wildest takes I've ever seen. purest grade liberalism

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

Yeah slaves should vooooooote

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