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What's outrageous is that this is being treated as news, when it's not new, e.g. (from 2021) https://www.thebalancemoney.com/trickle-down-economics-theory-effect-does-it-work-3305572

We've known this that since at least 2001, if not earlier, https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2001/09/the-trickle-down-economics-straw-man/

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 22 hours ago

My understanding this was known in the economics circles in 1980s too but people were able to make careers shilling the lie since owner class favor them.

Good grief, that means this lie has been successfully peddled for nearly half a century.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 day ago
[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago

We need to stop shaming people for believing in religion and start shaming them for believing in trickle down.

[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago
[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We have proof that Jesus Christ at least existed and was put to death by a Roman Leader named Pontious Pilate, we have no proof he was actually divine.

This means there is more proof for Christianity than "Give the ravenous gluttons who want for nought more pie and somehow the starving children will be fed."

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

I mean it's basically the same thing at this point.

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

We know, we know.

[-] Surp@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

People should be always taxed more depending on how much more they make starting at 500,000$ a year for a single person imo. Once you hit that threshold you're far above a normal human....far above.

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

If wages/salary are your primary/only source of income, you are not part of the wealthy class, even if it is $500k. Not even close.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the problem being that they get compensated in shares, etc, above that point, meaning they dodge all the income tax anyway.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

One year of printing new dollars and forcibly closing small businesses has failed to make things cheaper, new study shows.

[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

In the same way that a Ponzi scheme failed to pay its bagholders. It's by design.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's by design. But in a serious country, serious world, or amongst serious people, we would've been laughing at the "Laffer curve" the moment Laffer ejaculated it into the napkin he first wet dreamed it upon.

But instead because we're both as laughable as the curve itself and because the rich, industrial asshats in this country were foaming at the mouth for a thin, arguably objective, seemingly mathematical piece of horseshit to cover their "steal from the poor and give to the rich" policy preferences, reproductions of Arthur's ejaculate was disseminated like it was the fucking Mona Lisa.

It should never be said that conservatives are conservative in the normal, adjective sense of the word. For the last fifty years, they've been tearing at the fraying seams of society and have been using "trickle down economics" as their seam ripper, while simultaneously blaming anything and everything other than their objectively horrific policies for the havoc wreaked.

Oh, the laffer curve is just fine. The issue is, the people who choose to missuse it deliberately or through utter ignorance never mention that the X value is about 90%. As I always say to those types whenever they bring it up:

"Theh all want to talk about the laffer curve, right up until you have to explain to them how hight the X value is. Then, as if by magic, they suddenly don't want to talk about it anymore and never agreed with it in the first place."

The real problem with economics, imo, is that they always presume inequality to not exist, in order to make the calculations work. The reason being that, if you accept that inequality exists and add it to the pot, as it were, the answer always comes out as "the problem is inequality."

However, that doesn't justify tax breaks for the rich or their rampant greed and exploitation. So, we pretend its non-existent and, tbf, in a wold with no inequality what so ever, where only the best rise to the top and anyone could be rich, if they worked for it and it wasn't a closed shop, most of neoliberalism would be absolute genius.

Of course, the problem is that, in the real world, inequality not only exists but is the definining feature of our economy.

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago

Economists have written the same article for years.

This is like that Onion school shooting article that just changes the location except they count how many years it's been since Reagan

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Indeed, Ronnie was and still is a big POS in my book. The USA should bring the tax brackets from the 1960's back.

[-] mo_lave@reddthat.com 26 points 2 days ago

Because the plan all along is generational theft.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 2 days ago

It's all the generations getting robbed, it's just that each successive generation gets shafted worse than the one before. Grandma didn't steal your retirement, the oligarchs did.

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 168 points 3 days ago

They spent those 50 years convincing half the voting population that evidence doesn’t matter, unfortunately.

[-] Kalkaline@leminal.space 37 points 3 days ago

Good old degradation of public school standards.

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[-] warlaan@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago

I'll never understand how this image wasn't ridiculed from the start. I mean if you are talking about "trickling down", wouldn't the bottom be the place where the thing that is trickling down collects?

Of course money trickles down, it trickles down from the poor to rich.

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It was but everyone was hypnotized by that POS. People who criticized it when I was a kid were considered socialist. It was/is a backward southern town. These days its just another small methville.

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 146 points 3 days ago
[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

It's almost like every word a conservative (and neoliberal) says is deception or manipulation.

This cannot be solved peacefully.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 81 points 3 days ago

How about we try some trickle up economics for a while? That's where you give money to people who actually need it, and let businesses compete for them as customers, and the revenue will trickle up to successful companies.

Might as well, right?

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

Is this going to be like UBI studies, where the news pretends every one of hundreds of studies is the one that is breaking this news for the first time? My economics professor was taking the piss out of supply side economics over a decade ago.

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 67 points 3 days ago

This will never stop being funny

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[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Oh, there's been some trickle down, it's just not anything having to do with money, it's been more of a golden shower that's been trickling down.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Lol. Put entertainment people in charge of the economy again. Has the public even seen how they cook the books in that industry?

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 93 points 3 days ago

Oh no ... it did work ... it worked spectacularly ... for the top wealthiest people in the world

They figured out that they could cut the amount of taxes they had to pay, collect even more wealth for themselves and convince everyone around them and all the poor people out there like you and me that it was all perfectly acceptable, and sensible and that we should all keep electing government officials to keep that system going while we all paid for it. The wealthiest figured out how they could keep their money and make us all pay for it. And they did it for 50 years. And they're still doing it.

I think it worked fantastic ..... for them.

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[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, no shit. Something anyone remotely educated on the topic has known since the policies went into place. The problem isn't that the information wasn't there, it's that no one with enough power to benefit from it is willing to do anything about it.

[-] scoredseqrica@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago

Shocked. I am shocked to the core.

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 14 points 2 days ago

That just sounds like regular corruption ?

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[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 67 points 3 days ago

Yeah, no shit…

[-] Kalkaline@leminal.space 54 points 3 days ago

Saw this earlier today, just saying.

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[-] Breve@pawb.social 13 points 2 days ago

What do you mean, corporations that have a legal obligation to maximize value for shareholders weren't passing money on to consumers out of the goodness of their hearts? Nobody could have seen that coming! /S

[-] joel1974@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

There had to be a study?

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

I have two words: Fuck Reagan.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 2 days ago

Reagan, both Bush's, Clinton, Obama, Trump, and even to some extent Carter. It's been a long dirty project. President Biden is the first to even start the project of reversing the wealth transfer, though it's worth mentioning that Senator Biden was as bad as any president on this score.

[-] Shark_Ra_Thanos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

It's kind of about time we blow this bladder apart.

[-] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago

Yea, it did the exact fuckin opposite. Like we knew it would.

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