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It seems to really have alienated a number of people and prevented them from posting. This is a great shame because I felt that hexbears’s momentum and place of online leftism was really starting to shine in the days after the election. This is the most important time for there to be an alternative on the left and we’re wasting it, with what appears to be the start of another struggle session caused by mods unilaterally deciding things.

I don’t really have a solution or more to say, more just this dump of feelings

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[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 107 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Just keep posting. If the poster ahead of you should upvote the wrong post and be banned, pick up their keyboard and press onwards

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 57 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Starting to think that all of us sharing one keyboard may be a reason for the lack of posts. We need to bolster the production of keyboards in the next five year plan.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

Who could have seen this coming?

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)
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[–] dannoffs@hexbear.net 85 points 3 months ago

Nothing more leftist than fucking up the vibes for no reason at the worst possible time.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 76 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I've tried my best to stay out of the struggle sessions but it feels like the mods keep doing foolish things and pissing off people more and more. HB does feel a lot slower and I hope it's not because people are afraid to upbear/post.

[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 62 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

look i love this stupid website and the admins do good work but also their motto is "if it ain't broke, absolutely fuck with it"

countless such instances

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago

Everyone keeps saying it

[–] real@hexbear.net 49 points 3 months ago

It absolutely is, there has been a strong decline in site activity since the struggle sesh. Hexbear was among the most active I’ve seen directly beforehand.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 59 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Sure it was the struggle session? Even now I feel the details of the session fading away like fingerprints on an abandoned handrail

I feel like it's more post-election malaise, same thing happened back in 2020 after Biden won, alot of bored posting, and I'm leavin, I'm back, I'm leavin, I'm back posts too

[–] dannoffs@hexbear.net 36 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I definetly think the struggle session had some impact but I've personally been posting less because I hacked my 3DS and have been playing DQ7 nonstop.

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[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I feel like the almost back-to-back "Dunk Tank" struggle session and then "Upvote Ban" struggle session probably burned a lot of people up. :/

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago

then "Upvote Ban" struggle session

I completely missed that one, but since neither of them come close to the vegan debacle of 2021, I feel it's safe to assume the site will survive this short period of unrest

Like I said before, I think alot of these micromanaging debates over forum engineering stem from a misplaced frustration with the state of the world AS WELL as the continuing failure of federation over a year after it's launch, on top of the embarrassing and increasing 4chan-fication of lemmy as a whole

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 55 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I’m not exactly a power poster. I just like hexbear as Reddit but with far less shitty politics and cooperate astroturfing. However with these moderation struggle sessions I just find hexbear is less appealing. Hexbear is clearly a very important space to some people and who are getting very upset over things. And I think these events between these users and mods are chilling the community. It’s not a warm welcoming space to bring in new users and encourage interaction and exploring the community. Imagine your first interaction with the site: you open it up and the front page is all pinned posts about stupid drama. Even as a reasonably regular user I haven’t got time to read them and frankly don’t wish to. I’m sure I can’t be the only one who feels this way.

FWIW on the current issue, I think upvotes are good for surfacing interesting content. That’s why Reddit was so good, it crowdsources the curation. A million users is a better sorter of content than a desk of moderators acting as content editors. They’re open to manipulation sure. But I’m not seeing too many issues on hexbear.

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 51 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I haven't really noticed. Probably because I mostly ignore struggle sessions.

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[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah it has been slow. Sucks. Genuinely are little concerned that we've reached a fulcrum, and without further action we're about to see the spiral of slower boards-->fewer people bothering to check Hexbear-->even slower boards-->new people who stumble upon HB who would otherwise have joined now just see it as kind of slow and empty like lemmygrad-->death

[–] real@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago

Yes some real change needs to be made. I think anyone who has the time and is concerned about the sites future should apply to be a mod (with the newest mod drive) to try and do a lib and change the system from within.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I think we were bound to get a lull after the election madness and the multiple-month crescendo of bullshit. people are partly recovering from that

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago

I firmly believe with zero evidence that post-election weariness and anger caused the struggle session. Tensions were high.

[–] Yukiko@hexbear.net 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think it's more that a lot of posts are getting consolidated into the megas. Which is good, but also bad.

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 50 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nah it's bad. Megas are cool for general discussion, but a forum like this relies on standalone posts. Otherwise, you're just making a discord server with extra steps. And there's a reason I'm here and not on discord ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Yukiko@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago

Hence the bad part. The good part is that each individual comm can modify the rules to its needs.

[–] Sophie@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago

not being allowed to bully libs has really ruined the soul of this subreddit (website), bring back hexbear cyberbullying pls doggirl-tears

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago

Every struggle session is like this. Folks will trickle back in with alts and mostly it'll be fine.

[–] red_stapler@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The news mega is poppin; God’s in His heaven All ’s right with the world!

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago

The news post poppin is always a cause for alarm, but at least I know when the nukes are fired, we will die posting

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago

One would hear that and wonder if seeing a large number of comments being made there means something goods happened or something bads happened.

Its like a random chance box but as a forum. It's like rolling the silly d10,000 wild magic surge list. When you go on the site, scroll all the way down then roll d100, select the result from the list below, then roll again to determine the exact effect. DISCLAIMER: I did not read all 10,000 things yet so let me know if anything egregious pops up

[–] miz@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

it'll be okay. make some GOOD posts

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] miz@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm personally satisfied with the mod explanation on that but I understand why it might not be enough to remove fears for others. I trust that this whole experience will help it stay rare and for egregious circumstances

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, I do too, but goddamn, pump the fucking brakes a little. It's like each day there's some new shit we have to keep in mind while interacting with the site.

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[–] Gorb@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's ok I'm gonna post butts to bring everyone back

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

As long as they're pretty butts. I don't want to see Elon's butt, for example.

[–] Homer_Simpson@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Which one? Deleting the dunk tank or the other one?

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[–] morte@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

Never Stop Posting

change-da-world-1change-da-world-2

[–] Poison_Ivy@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)

What struggle session? Was it the vegans again?

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No a bunch of people were up voting some tailist shit and mods used the view up vote tool to see who was agreeing with it and some folks caught some strays. Only temp bans were issued over it and tbh I think most of them could have been corrected verbally unfortunately this is not that sort of medium and some of our lgbtq and poc comrades were uncomfortable with a particular comment being up voted so much. Was it an overcorrection? Perhaps but it is not the massive problem people are making it out to be.

I am on team remove upvotes.

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No it was the rock stackers complaining about outdoor cats knocking down their Babylonian towers

[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

knifecat pushes rocks

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It was Beanis posters vs fake news posters. The fight of the century

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[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago (14 children)

Time to start a new struggle session

Um i think pineapple is good on pizza

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What did you nerds do this time?

[–] real@hexbear.net 31 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Mods and admins making a lot of stupid unilateral decisions in a short notice.

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

And when the users complain, it's always some variant of "it puts the lotion on its skin" or the DP apology from South Park

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[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Idk, I've been interacting less since I started using matrix a lot more, though I was never a capital P Poster. Turns out the Internet keeps re-discovering that yes in fact chat rooms are the most personal way to hang out and be social together. Alor at least I keep rediscovering it for myself. I'm not leaving any time soon though.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

i just feel like i can't keep up with chat rooms. i used to love them. but i work such long hours

here i can have a slow moving short conversation over many days between shifts. sure it's not as personal, and feels kind of drive-by.

i recognize lots of people here but takes years to get to know anyone. but yeah back in the early days of chatrooms i made some RL relationships. deep ones. some leading to in person meetups

learned about my queerness, transness. so yeah i do miss that.

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