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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

The second threat is the rise of “answer engines” like Perplexity which, well, do what they say on the tin. OpenAI has added internet search to ChatGPT, Meta Platforms is exploring building its own search engine, and even AI chatbots that can’t search the internet are proving increasingly capable at addressing many questions. They’re also becoming ever more widespread, as Microsoft and Appleintegrate them directly into the operating systems of all the devices they make or support.

That is not an improvement, it's just also not really any worse.

[-] sibachian@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 hours ago

it's an improvement in a way. today marketing for most businesses is 80% google ads, 20% facebook ads. google is massively manipulating google ads to practically steal money because they're the only player in town. if adspace is spread thinner, google is fucked, and small business owners actually stand a chance against the big behemoths with infinite pockets.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

But in terms of actual information it could be worse thanks to AI hallucinations and poor training materials.

[-] trespasser69@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Can't read this article thanks to shitty paywall. Yet it has 28 trackers even tho it just need pure HTML

Shitty Trackers

Edit: thank you for archive link OP!

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 121 points 1 day ago

My younger sister searches tiktok for information and by that I mean she doesn't even use the search feature. The topics just show up in her feed. She thinks she's choosing/finding but is actually getting fed topics.

Its sad because everytime she tells me something she learned on tiktok I do like 2mins of research and find its not true or misleading. People lie about the most mundane things on that platform and I don't know why.

[-] omarfw@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago

They say stuff that isn't true because it gets them engagement from people who come to correct them. We figured out how to generate profit from misinformation.

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 49 points 1 day ago

That's why I think those platforms should be banned, especially for children.

We're creating a whole new generation of misinformed people.

[-] keyez@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

This is partially why I kind of agree with the government ban. Tiktok does have some good information but it's a lot of lowest common denominator stuff like all social media, the worst part is for non Chinese users 'the algorithm' pushes only dances and this misinformation or fights/arguments, while in China it's more educational and musical stuff that's promoted.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 12 points 23 hours ago

I really think we need a monitored internet for under 13s. The internet is just to fucked up at the moment. I never thought I would be someone advocating for this because i grew up on the wild west internet watching people getting beheaded and stuff. But all that is nothing compared to being bombarded with friendly, trustworthy (seeming) people that constantly spread lies and misinformation that shapes your world view.

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

100% agree. I also grew up on the wild west, websites and things that were shocking or straight up illegal and are harder and harder to find nowadays (especially if you're a kid that only uses apps on his/her smartphone).

When I was a kid, I knew that the things I was seeing were horrible, it was clear. But now kids watch complete misinformation that's presented in a serious and interesting way. They have no way to tell the truth from a lie anymore.

[-] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago

I'd argue a different approach: Teach critical thinking and scepticism to children. Banning things makes it a race to keep up with whatever new thing comes up; it's not a sustainable solution so much as a constant fixing of new holes without tackling why these things are so destructive.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 3 points 23 hours ago

I dont think critical thinking is enough. If you apply critical thinking to a media landscape full of lies you will still come out wrong.

[-] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 2 points 22 hours ago
[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 13 hours ago

I dont know its a hard problem to solve. Above my paygrade thats for sure.

[-] BluesF@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

Ya my little bro is the same. He'll announce some thing he's learned and it collapses under the barest scrutiny... I only hope that the rest of us are able to teach him to apply that scrutiny himself. It's pretty scary how kids just accept shit, if you take that into adulthood... Well, I think we see the results all around us in the world.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

It's because the truth is boring, sad, and unnoteworthy. That doesn't make for good you know what viral videos.

[-] M33 14 points 1 day ago

Oh my… searching TikTok for information is so misleading and so encouraged by the platform…

[-] Jocker@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 day ago

Googling is for advertisers..

[-] Subverb@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

I've almost forgotten how shitty Google has become. Been using kagi search for a year now.

It's so nice to get clean unbiased search results.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago

Old people are the only ones with any money.

[-] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 day ago

The average American spent just over $60,000 a year in 2021, but spending habits vary significantly between age groups. Those born from 1965 to 1980 – spent the most money last year, with average expenditure of $83,357.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2022/10/americans-spend-their-money-by-generation/

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

Which is why old people are the only ones with money.

They've paid off their houses. They've paid off their cars. Their income is higher, but their living expenses are lower, so their savings and investments are higher. They ultimately hold the notes on everyone else's home loans and car loans.

Old people are the only ones with the disposable income accessible to advertisers. Old people are the only ones with money.

[-] Alenalda@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

i was stuck having to watch traditional cable television over the holiday with the family, and jfc are there a lot of medication commercials spewed out of that thing.

[-] garretble@lemmy.world 194 points 2 days ago

Another problem is they ruined their own search with AI.

Kicked themselves right in the nuts.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 133 points 2 days ago

They ruined it without AI before AI was commonplace. They ruined it with higher profit margins. 🥹

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

They specifically made search less accurate so that users would search multiple times to boost the number of ads that get displayed to juice their numbers for quarterly earnings. You can blame Prabhakar Raghavan.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

It's fucking awful with our without AI in 2024.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 77 points 2 days ago

I was Googling just fine until Google ruined it with "SEO" and AI so that completely irrelevant results dominate the first 2 or 3 pages.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don't get me wrong, fuck google, but how much can we blame google for SEO? That's just people gaming the system, and they'd be doing it no matter how google presented their results.

Maybe there is a whole cooperation aspect that I'm not aware of.

[-] wreel 2 points 15 hours ago

Google did a rollback of anti-SEO indexing features because the intention is that users issue more searches. Ever since the ads side of the business won the war for the soul of Google the experience has gotten worse on purpose.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 day ago

They can only game the system because Google made a system like that possible and has never done anything to combat the gaming of it.

[-] skulkingaround@sh.itjust.works 5 points 19 hours ago

Come on man I don't like google either, but SEO exploitation has been a cat and mouse game since search engines were invented. They're all varying levels of suck the last few years. It's not an easy problem to solve, and AI has made it far more difficult.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

Right, but we know how people are (look at torrenting, piracy, drm, etc.), and people would figure out ways to gamify it no matter what, I believe. But you are correct that they don't seem to necessarily have any interest in stopping it. Because of course not, it's all about the bottom line.

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[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And how do non-old people navigate the web? I mean I get it, you don't need to google the Wikipedia article about the French Revolution... You can ask AI. But how do you find business hours for the repair shop downtown? Which website sells the concert tickets? News from yesterday? The forum that tells you if 32GB of RAM fit into your laptop?

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 days ago

Hours and menus normally come from Maps. News often comes from social media, unfortunately. But Google rarely helps me there either. Concert tickets is probably an app or venue website (but I don't really go to many concerts because fuck Ticketmaster).

Not that I don't Google stuff, but it's way less useful than it used to be.

I'm over fifty (though fuck does it feel unreal to say that).

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Hours and menus normally come from Maps

If it's Google maps, wouldn't it still be considered googling since it used the same search engine?

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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 106 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Younger generations are using other platforms to gather information.

What's not being talked about here is that young people don't seem to give a damn if the information they research is accurate or not, it's whether or not it's peddled by their preferred streamer. Those "other platforms" are apparently Tiktok and Netflix, not exactly places known for speaking truth to power.

I've spent twenty years trying to believe that the children will be the saviors of the future, but I think maybe the conservatives actually succeeded in murdering education in it's crib. I am now nearly fully on team "You know, maybe these kids actually are a bunch of dumb fucks who won't save us after all."

[-] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago

"I've heard of RFK Jr. and he says vaccines are bad. He's more famous than scientists, so I believe him for exposing their corruption. "

I can't wait for humanity to go extinct.

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