It'll only get worse. Part of being in the corporate world is seeing it normalized so much, but then also you won't ever make a decent living unless you're in the corporate world. We're hurtling towards a cyberpunk dystopia, but there's more than likely not much you individually you can do.

Even the major push for computer science you're seeing is thanks to FAANG companies pushing for more students to enter the field, not to give them a better living, but to flood the market so this exact thing happens, too much talent so they can pay them less.

Find something, get paid, and make a living for yourself. Corporate world sucks, but we're forced into it

Oh I feel this in my soul. Recently my company was going to buy some very important welded structures, and instead of working with the American company that we promised the business to, one executive went over everyone's heads to buy these from the offshore team, despite protests from literally everyone.

They came in today each one is $100k worth of scrap metal. Absolutely unsalvageable pieces of shit. Truly a colossal level of fuckup.

Will the execs learn? Probably not.

Not to mention the fact that the qualifications and the ability to communicate complex concepts and information without issue (in the language used by the rest of the company on shore) are almost always extremely subpar.

Too often I’m asked questions and I give thorough examples and ask if it makes sense and get a “yes” back immediately and then the next day rolls around and I’m asked the same questions by the same people and am forced to repeat the process.

I’m told these contractors are seniors with 10+ years of experience but act like junior interns.

But hey, the c-suite sees the real incentives here! Cheap labor!

I work with plenty of people from India. They're pretty good at their jobs. They should be paid the same as us in the USA.

I don't mind that they work on the other side of the world. I don't mind them at all. I mind that the main reason why they're hired is that my employer can pay them peanuts. They deserve better.

The people responsible for your anxiety are not offshore, they're upstairs.

I feel like everywhere I work, we have this term, and it’s become increasingly more common over the past decade as the USA becomes more and more hateful and aggressive towards the working class people… The offshore team. I really, really hate hearing about the offshore team

...and...

then you see the USA and how We have millions of computer science grads who struggle to find work, can’t get a job

There's a couple factors in play and depending on how old you are (or how long you've been in this industry) some things may not be apparent.

1. IT spending/staffing is cyclical. Boom and bust. This happens every 5-8 years. There is massive spending by organizations in IT for various reasons. This drives up the need for IT staff and as the talent pool is exhausted, salaries rise sharply as companies try to poach from one another. IT workers win in this case. However, when the pendulum swings expensive IT staff are on the chopping block. For the cycle we're in right now, that started about a year ago and the cuts are still ongoing, but to me, it feels like it will start swinging back in the other direction in the next 8-12 months with hiring picking up again.

2. In-source vs Outsource/ onshoring vs offshoring cycle - Many businesses have short memories and "the grass is always greener" mentality. If they are heavily In-sourced and onshore they look at their budgets and see this MASSIVE number next to the "payroll" line item. They start asking how they can lower this number and save money. Consultants come in and convince them that the company can save money by cutting out a segment of the company's operations and outsourcing that to another firm that quotes them an attractive rate. The company chooses this option, fires their own staff, contracts out the work. The bottom line is appropriately attractive, and executives get a bonus for making cost cuts. Inertia from the previous staff keeps the org going much as before for awhile. However, the service begins suffers because the contract company is attempting to provide the least amount of resources and money to fulfill the contract. Many times this means using offshore staffing themselves. After a few expensive outages for outright rebellions from the company business departments, the company fires the contracting company hires their own staff again and brings the service back in house. This pendulum swings again for another 8-10 years.

3. International pay disparity - IT workers in the USA are crazy expensive compared to nearly anywhere else in the work. I'm not just talking about a little more, but by a factor of 10 or 15 times more expensive than other nations that provide similar skilled staff. A $150k USD IT worker in the USA can be replaced (mostly) with a $15k USD worker in India with the same level of skill. That same IT worker skill level would earn $75k-$100k CAD in Canada. In Germany that same worker would earn €60-$90. During boom times that USA worker might be able to earn $175k-$300k USD.

As a worker, you can see that working in the USA will earn you the most money when you can get a job. So the trick is to save during the boom times knowing the bust is coming. If you earn $300k for one year, and are unemployed for two years afterward you've effectively earned $100k per year for 3 years straight. Being unemployed in IT for over a year is unusual. You can usually find a lower paying job in IT to cover your living expenses and then some until the boom occurs again.

You missed the best part: it's return to office to boost communication and collaboration... ...by being in a call with the offshore team.

I figured this would kick off again when work from home got implemented.

If your staff don't need to report to an office, why pay them for a high cost of living when they can live anywhere? In person pay is going to drop to national or international averages since you don't need them physically at a site.

What really annoys me is when this becomes a racist thing. You get managers who love all ethnic Indians because they "are cheap and work hard" and then you get everyone else who now hate all ethnic Indians everywhere.

Germany has nearshoring. Anything that doesn't require native level spoken German or isn't physical or under some weird regulation that it has to be in-country, it will be outsourced to a country with a significant amount of German speakers like Slovakia, Hungary, Romania or Brazil (Blumenau).

I'm about to be one of those grads, career changing in my early thirties. Whoops. Got into Berkeley CS so hopefully that carries my foot into a door somewhere

The company I work at is considering moving some/all of the "not business differentiating" work (aka boring or terrible yet still critical work) to teams in India. I agree with roughly colocating teams (by time zone. Working 12 hours apart from half your team isn't practical). I disagree with the Indian teams taking all the bad/boring work.