They were a $3500 dev-kit to enable some base level of preparation when the costs come down. They were never going to be mainstream.
A dev kit with no physical controllers? You would think developers want precise controlls? Or a usb port? Or proper dev tools? Or a full API?
Has any significant 3rd party apps been made for it?
At the reveal they were talking about using Apollo on it.
That worked out great...
Lapz seems like a cool concept (although I don't follow F1 myself), but it got put on hold because legal https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/20/24301420/apple-vision-pro-viral-lapz-app-f1-complaint
At $3,500 I can't imagine why it didn't take off!
Definitely the colors.
With no controllers made by Apple, it seems VR gaming wasn't an intended use either as devs aren't going to port games if most users don't have them. Which only leaves people who will pay that price for a glorified external monitor.
Also software lock so you can't have more than one virtual monitor. They even limit software zoom. This is a prison you wear on your face.
People love to shit on VR because Meta pulled all that metaverse bullshit. But VR just keeps growing. Slowly, but it’s growing.
There’s no evidence it’s stopping yet.
In fact, Samsung and Google are jumping back in. And we have some of the lightest headsets ever made on the market right now.
VR is in a slow upswing.
They didn't say VR was dead, just not mainstream. Which is okay. Not everything has to be.
Yeah, I’m mostly responding to the people I perceive to always shit on VR by mocking the idea of a metaverse or Meta’s version of a metaverse.
People dismiss the whole medium because of Zuck going wild with metaverse hype, and causing the whole industry to make all these nonsense metaverse claims.
Even Microsoft Teams was boasting about metaverse aspects at one point.
Yep. The problem is that they keep trying to push it as some sort of workspace for home or office.
It’s a shitty workspace. Nobody wants that box strapped to their face and work in a cartoonish porthole view world. The controllers are limited in functionality and using a physical desktop while somewhat blind sucks.
However, for visualization and gaming, it’s great! But not for $3,500. $200-$400? Yeah, that’s doable.
Yep. The problem is that they keep trying to push it as some sort of workspace for home or office.
It’s a shitty workspace. Nobody wants that box strapped to their face and work in a cartoonish porthole view world.
It will eventually be great for a virtual workspace, but the technology isn't there yet. The resolution on headsets has to get several orders of magnitude better, and the headsets need to get several orders of magnitude lighter/more comfortable.
I mean did anyone think of the vision pro as more than a very expensive tech demo? It was always too big, too heavy to be viewed as something people were expected to wear all day long.
Why do people think you're supposed to wear that all day long? I don't think it was ever marketed as a permanent piece of headwear.
I've always assumed that every VR or AR system was intended to be used for a session and taken off, seems obvious.
I don’t think Apple themselves marketed it this way, but viral photos of people being spotted on subways and walking down the street wearing one probably didn’t help sell the product.
They marketed the headset as being able to replace the functions of basically everything an average person uses a laptop/pc, cellphone, and tv for.
People routinely use computers and tvs for many hours at a time.
People routinely spend hours on their phone and basically always have them in their pocket or nearby.
They showed people wearing the things in planes, to watch 2-3 hour movies.
Sitting down in their (strangely TV-less) living rooms to watch 2-3 hour movies.
Doing ... some kind of work you'd do on a laptop, but easily being able to keep the things on, kick a ball around with your kid, and then seamlessly go back to working.
Wearing the headset as you are unpacking at a hotel, and then taking a video phone call with them.
Not the thing ringing, you putting the headset on, and then taking a call.
No, you're just already wearing the headset, having just arrived in a hotel, implying you just had them on as you took your luggage up to your motel, like a hat.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IY4x85zqoJM
Taken as a montage, you certainly get the impression that you're encouraged to just wear the thing all the time, anywhere, that its an 'all-device' that replaces a whole bunch of other devices, and is easily used/worn in many settings for long periods of time.
Namely what the features are and the functionality of it. I mean if you are expecting to use it in a closed controlled area, then for the most part the pass through side isn't necessary, the screen showing your eyes to outsiders is completely meaningless. So I guess the point is, there isn't really a defined ideal place to use it. It isn't super useful in one place, it's made to be slightly helpful, everywhere.
Which of course begs the question, where is it intended to be used. when is the ideal time to put it on, and then how long should a session be before you take it off.
I think the only thing that made people think about VR was Half Life Alyx.
If plenty of games would be made with that level of quality VR could actually became a thing.
But boring companies keeps trying to push VR for boring things.
It's crazy how lazy these companies are trying to be about VR. Imagine nintendo or Sega launching a console without any studios or titles. Everyone is so fucking busy with trying to hit the next "tech boom" that they feel it's everyone else's problem to come up with actual use cases that people will stick with (wearing a clunky headset for extra monitors isn't a long-term solution).
I'm tired of watching these multi-billion dollar VR companies showing ping-pong demo's, real actual fucking ping-pong is 100x fucking more fun and it's never brought up. Would love to watch an actual demo with two people playing vr and two people playing real table tennis side by side for an actual comparison. (for anyone saying how much easier it is to play in VR, you just spent $3500 for ONE headset)
Half Life Alyx, Lone Echo, and Asgard's Wrath are all incredible experiences that actually feel like "real games" that made meaningful and justifiable use of VR.
Beat Saber and Robo Recall get honorable mentions from me as well because while neither is groundbreaking, both execute their particular niche more or less perfectly.
Browsing various VR software storefronts now you find basically nothing like any of the above. Everything seems to be trying to mimic the mobile game "quick distraction" approach and shovel out as much garbage as possible rather than creating anything engaging. For anyone who believes that VR has genuine potential for exciting new experiences, as I do, it's incredibly disheartening.
It is a stupid and expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Like every other company, Apple have their fair share of flops.
There's one simple way to do it: stop milking it with ludicrous prices that make it inaccessible for the average consumer and stop trying to corner each implementation with your own proprietary closed market that becomes worthless when it goes down because all of your digital purchases were "digital subscription options". The problem with VR is that it now has a place in the market but one that is basically limited to a luxury market, and as such it will only include self enclosed ecosystems of novelty implementations that appeal largely to whales. It is basically an example of the hellhole the PC landscape would have been if governments back then had been as lax with bad consumer practices as they are now.
I also get the feeling the VR market started out a lot like the mobile gaming market in that mba business majors who have zero ability or to desire to make genuinely artistic and compelling experiences choked out any other kind of person being in leadership positions in the industry.
Similar to mobile gaming the rush of business majors who "think" they know how to transform vr gaming when they don't know the first thing about game development and have never bothered to pursue a creative venture in their life that wasn't just a thinly veiled scheme to scam other people out of their money has severly stunted the growth of the vr industry indefinitely as it did the mobile gaming market.
The very structure of the largest companies in VR (besides perhaps valve) precludes the possibility of any actual artists and developers with a vision getting into positions of power in these companies and even if they do, they are never actually listened to or you wouldn't get embarassingly empty visions of VR like "the metaverse".
VR, like mobile gaming cannot be understood as an out growth of the traditional gaming world, rather VR in particular must be understood as a market constructed by non-experts who didn't give a shit about learning gaming development or how to create compelling fantasy worlds because the objective was always to be a digital landlord speculating and monetizing on an ownership of large swathes of digital communities that artists showed up and made into actual spaces people desired to be (artists are an unpaid detail though, that kind of fluff is easy, an AI could do it and besides it is fun for them!).
Unfortunately for VR fans I don't think the industry will take any significant strides until those kinds of people are kicked out of the boadrooms of these companies and I don't see that happening anytime soon given how long mobile gaming has been a squandered wasteland of casinos that nothing with any vitality or soul can grow in.
I’m sorry, apple did not in any attempt to make VR mainstream.
Yeah over 3k is not “accessible“ or “mainstream”
What do you mean "even"? I would say especially apple couldn't make VR mainstream.
But VR is already mainstream to a certain demographic; furries. They try to get VR headsets even when they're broke, because they want to escape reality as much as possible, and pretend like they're the actual character they like to imagine themselves as. And it's better than any fursuits can.
You want to make a successful VR headset, then you'll have to make and market it for those that want to live ~~(and do virtual sex)~~ in VR. Not as some weird, incredibly expensive office tool.
But VR is already mainstream to a certain demographic
That's not what mainstream is. That's what a niche is.
it's also a bad vr headset. it's an augmented reality headset that does vr secondarily. and surprisingly uncomfortable.
I thought the apple headset was MR for productivity and stuff? VR gaming headsets like the Oculus seem to be doing fairly well.
Apple's (and by extension every VR platform) big mistake is the lack of a Killer App for VR.
If they didn't have a compelling use case, them researching and building any VR device is a waste of time, money and effort. Walking out on-stage and saying, "Now you can see dinosaurs in VR" just isn't a compelling use case, even if they weren't expensive.
To me, a decent intermediate step would have been, "Have and unlimited number of huge screens for less than the cost of one big, high-quality monitor." would have been compelling if it were made small and light enough. Finding a way to continue using the current keyboard and mouse would have made it much more affordable and approachable.
The only killer app for VR is porn. And they blocked it.
Porn isn't the only killer app, it's just what drives all new consumer tech. I'd like it for CAD myself.
Porn for CAD sounds weird, but if that's how your hog cranks, giver'.
Apple's headset was sold as mixed reality, I don't even know if it can actually do VR and play VR games, and mixed reality is not that interesting actually. If you think VR games aren't interesting even though they are full experiences nowadays like Asgard's Wrath and Into the radius, MR games are legit minigames.
Mixed reality will be awesome. But we need a handful of killer apps, and the headsets need to be affordable enough that your friends have it, too.
Apple half-assed their rollout. They should have been dumping money into development of must-have apps before launch.
One killer app that I still haven't found is the ability to scan a living space and then make virtual modifications. I've got an idea to expand my kitchen and want to walk around it, and you'd think a VR rig that can scan rooms could do this. But I can't find any app to do this on any VR platform.
Oculus Quest, PlayStation VR, SteamVR...
...VR is mainstream.
I wouldn't say it's mainstream just because there are a few affordable options. It's still a niche subset of gaming in general.
And guess what? A fancy piece of hardware isn't going to make it happen. It needs software! Part of the reason VR is stagnating is because it doesn't have any good fucking games. You've got a ton of shit that is no more than a 5-10 minute experience you'd check out once and then never again. You've got one, maybe two, actually good games that take full advantage of what VR can do. And that's it. What good is a VR headset if there is nothing to fucking do in it? Which is exactly what sucks about the Vision Pro. Thing is $3500 and has next to nothing to run on it (like even less than a Quest or PSVR) lol
Meta thought it would be the next big thing, so much that they renamed themselves "meta". A lot of companies have been courting VR as a future big market, but we definitely haven't seen it blow up like companies hoped it would. I wouldn't say it's a dead market, but I would definitely put it as more of a novelty than a mainstream success.
That's like saying 3D TVs are mainstream. We all saw how that turned out.
Just because those exist doesn't make them mainstream. Less than 1% of players own any of those devices.
If they want to make something mainstream, it must have sexual related usage. Easy peasy.
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