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[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago
[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Please do!

Mostly because I'm selfish... Astrophotography has been quite frustrating with all the damn starlink satellites ruining images. Lol

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They also destroy the ozone layer

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

they enable illegal logging and other extrativism in my country when no other isp would or could

[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck, really? I believe you implicitly I'm just so sad because it only just healed after the CFC shit was banned. My country cries out for protection from star radiation.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the link. That's deeply irritating. One more reason to hate starlink, like we needed one.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago

hunt them down xi

[–] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago

I want Starlink but as a utility that is free to the world. Payed for by everyone. No one should have control over a global internet.

[–] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Full textStarlink is not as invulnerable as previously thought, according to a team of award-winning scientists in China who recently simulated a space operation targeting the giant constellation.

Results from the computer simulation showed that China could effectively approach nearly 1,400 Starlink satellites within 12 hours using just 99 Chinese satellites. These could be equipped with lasers, microwaves and other devices to conduct reconnaissance, tracking or other operations.

“The potential military application value of the Starlink mega constellation has been highlighted in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. In recent years, the militarisation of space has intensified, posing a significant threat to China’s space security. It is particularly important to track and monitor its operational status,” wrote the project team led by Wu Yunhua, director of the aerospace control department at Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics. Their peer-reviewed paper was published on January 3 in the Chinese academic journal Systems Engineering and Electronics.

SpaceX, founded by Elon Musk, has launched more than 6,700 Starlink satellites and is expected to increase that number into the tens of thousands in the coming years.

Tracking such a vast constellation with a small number of satellites was once deemed impossible, involving extremely complex orbital calculations that, even if solved, would be difficult to execute within a short time frame.

Wu and his colleagues also faced more practical military challenges. For example, Chinese satellites needed to fly close enough to keep Starlink satellites within the effective range of detection equipment for at least 10 seconds, but not too close as to cause accidents.

Lasers and other equipment consume a lot of energy, so scientists also needed to arrange sufficient sun-facing charging time for each Chinese satellite. Manoeuvring the satellites also takes varying amounts of time, which further increases the difficulty of orbital calculations.

Despite all the challenges, Wu’s team claims to have developed an unprecedented technology that enables computers at the ground control centre to generate a comprehensive and reliable action plan in less than two minutes.

The method was inspired by the hunting behaviour of whales, which work together in vast waters to channel small fish into their mouths, while ensuring the process takes the shortest amount of time to conserve energy.

Wu’s team developed a new binary artificial intelligence algorithm that allowed Chinese satellites to accurately mimic the whales, and thus “hunt” Starlink.

Wu once received the National Defence Science and Technology Progress Award for developing a technology that significantly enhances the survivability of Chinese spacecraft in extreme situations. According to the Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics website, the projects he led have received funding totalling more than 16 million yuan (US$2.2 million) from the Chinese government and military.

The Harbin Institute of Technology also took part in this research. Both universities are under comprehensive sanctions imposed by the US government for their involvement in developing cutting-edge military technology.

China is in the process of building giant satellite constellations similar to Starlink. If these constellations are physically attacked, they may generate a large amount of debris, threatening other space assets, such as the safety of space stations.

According to publicly available information, China and other military powers are developing new types of interceptor satellites equipped with weapons that can disable attacked satellites without generating significant debris.

[–] crosswind@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

The method was inspired by the hunting behaviour of whales, which work together in vast waters to channel small fish into their mouths, while ensuring the process takes the shortest amount of time to conserve energy.

Does this imply they expect the starlinks to run from the hunter satellites? Or was this an analogy that only made sense as part of a technical explanation that got copied out of context.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 7 points 1 week ago (5 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome

So much for any cell phones, gps, or anything above terrestrial technology if China did that

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 58 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Aren't the Starlink satellites orbiting low enough that they could be taken down without putting debris in orbit for too long?

[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't remember all the details but they're in a lower tier of LEO that requires frequent boosting to maintain, so chances are yes, but it'll still fuck up telecommunications and satellite launches for a few years before it all comes down.

[–] knightly@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Any low-orbit kessler syndrome should be self-limiting for these reasons, without regular boosting Starlink sats will de-orbit in less than 5 years and that number drops precipitously when the sats are broken up into fragments with higher surface area to weight ratios.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

While it probalbly wouldn't go full Kessler, remember that high velocity impacts can create showers of debris, of ~~which some will be boosted to higher orbits from the new velocity gained from the impactor.~~

(nm won't be a new stable orbit it will just be highly elipitcal and still interface with the atmosphere. there would have to be a second impact at apogee to actually boost the orbit)

Ideal anti-sat weapon would boost itself up to rendezvous and dock with the starlink sat, then deorbit it with a one use solid booster. Could use grapplers or something cool like that.

Second best would be an unmanned vehicle with a directed energy weapon on it. Cause spalling which could deorbit or just damage the panels or communications.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

An orbit will always pass through the altitude of last impulse.

[–] knightly@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah, impacts might throw debris into more steeply elliptical orbits but unless another impact at apogee gives the debris more momentum then the average level of the orbit would remain the same.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you're right i completely forgot you have to circularize to actually create a new higher orbit it was way too late at night when i realized that

don't tell the other old timers on the kerbal space program forums i made this mistake

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

[Jeb saluting while grinning madly]

[–] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

To add to this, all of these micro-satellites are deployed in the upper atmosphere and thus have some drag applied. Their orbits naturally decay after several years and they burn up. That is why there aren't as many regulations for their deployment compared to higher orbits. They don't even boost them, opting to launch new replacements for those that burned up, which means even fewer regulations because they don't have explosive propellant.

A successful attack would only need to apply some additional drag that would effectively cause the orbit to decay much faster.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Starlink is too low to cause Kessler. They'd all fall into atmosphere and disintegrate, it was the main reason they didn't get too much opposition to do the project.

[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

yea we've all seen Planetes

[–] miz@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I haven't, looks cool. going to have to torrent this

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It unfortunately has an extremely unsatisfying heteronormative bullshit ending but its great until then

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

At least the ending of the international space politics side of things ends with

spoilerthe "terrorists" winning and being 100% correct

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Even without China those disposable satellites would cause an issue. Or they would if they were high enough to matter