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Well, After hundreds of GB of torrents downloaded, I slipped up. I've been changing around linux distros recently and i believe i configured my VPN wrong or forgot to turn it back on after doing something. Well, I finally got hit with a copyright warning. Just your typical "we had to send this" type of warning but none-the-less, I slipped up.

Sharing this because the day before it happened, I read a post about not only having your killswitch on but also binding your client to you vpn interface for situations like this. Needless to say I didn't take that precaution. For those who are on linux, I found a great post about how to set this up on reddit and wanted to remind people to "double wrap" because why not be safe lol.

The steps were more or less as follows (for QBitTorrent at least):

  1. Tools -> Preferences -> Advanced Settings

  2. Under "Network Interface", select your vpn interface. To test, check what shows with your vpn on, and then turn it off and re-navigate to this part to see what dissapeared. Thats likely your vpn interface if the name wasn't clear. (Do not be seeding/downloading torrents while doing this in case).

  3. To test, download a non-copyright torrent like the Ubuntu ISO torrent. In the middle of download, disconnect or close your vpn connection. This should stop the download.

Not sure if reddit links are cool here but here is the guide source if anyones interested. Binding VPN to Torrent Client

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[–] bjorney@lemmy.ca 165 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I collect these like pokemon 🙃

[–] JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 1 month ago
[–] powerofm@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 month ago

Based TekSavvy user

[–] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 1 month ago

Yo this kind of talk got lawyers going after reddit to prove some isp is complicit. Y'all gonna turn the eye of sauron on us! 😖

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 12 points 1 month ago

Maybe do something about your opsec...

[–] uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I had no idea that Teksavvy passed these along. I thought they took a stance to ignore these.

[–] bjorney@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

The content of the email is very laissez-faire, e.g. "we legally have to send these ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

All hail Canada's notice-and-notice-and-notice-and-notice-and-notice system of copyright enforcement!

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 76 points 1 month ago (5 children)

ive not had any leaking since i setup my torrenting container(deluge is my fav) to use the openvpn container(gluetun) for its internet. theres zero chance it can leak, nothing to 'forget to turn on'.. kinda idiotproof, which i needed

gluetun is your friend

[–] funkajunk@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

Gluetun can also be configured to write it's forwarded port to a text file (if your VPN provider supports port forwarding), and then I have a custom script that runs when my qbittorrent container starts to read the port number and change the listening port in the config file. Works great!

[–] JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago

Cool! I'll definitely check that out. Thanks!

[–] ftbd@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago

Why openvpn? Last I checked wireguard has significantly better performance (plus it's built into the kernel already)

[–] giacomo@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

gluetun is dope! i just setup a podman pod with gluetun and deluge.

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[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Be careful of dualstack and IPv4-only VPNs. The client can discover and advertise the real IPv6 address, even if adequately firewalled. I'm not sure if gluetun addresses this risk.

edit: this should be considered a risk even if you don't have IPv6 support today, as this could be enabled by your ISP in the future, then automatically enabled on your network by your router.

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[–] shirro@aussie.zone 57 points 1 month ago

Reply that you work for Meta and Mark said it will be ok.

[–] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I keep forgetting that some people need vpns to torrent.

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah it sounds so bizarre to me... What do you mean your ISP is constantly snooping all your encrypted traffic or trying to de-anonimize you by making undercover peers? That doesn't sound very net neutral...

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

The ISP usually doesn't give a shit. It's various industry groups (think RIAA) seeding and trying to deanonymize people, then they complain to the ISP who'll usually (IME) brush it off with stern look but I guess in really egregious cases they'll cut service.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't use a VPN, and haven't got a letter from my ISP in all the years I've been pirating.

[–] tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This!

I haven't had one since an idiot roommate decided they wanted to fuck around. I fixed the problem (no more roommate).

Been 20 years now.

VPN seems a way to screw up decent performance when all you need is to stay away from public trackers.

[–] N0x0n@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

What happened to your roommate? That sounds kinda scary... :o

[–] tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

It was one of a few stupid things and I wound up just telling him to leave.

Kinda wish it was more dramatic and/or gory, but I usually am just too tired to turn to violence.

Besides, I'd never admit to owning that chipper shredder anyway.

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[–] Spectrism@feddit.org 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Same thing also happened to me at the end of last year. I usually only use torrents on my PC, but that day I decided to also use them on my laptop and of course I forgot to change the network interface to that of my VPN in qBittorrent because I'm an idiot. After around 2 weeks, I got a cease and desist letter ordering me to pay ~1000 € and sign their cease and desist declaration. Was able to negotiate down to 600 € and only sent back a modified declaration, still pretty expensive for such a silly little mistake. I'd say you can consider yourself lucky to just receive a warning :)

Unfortunately for me, German law makes torrents a very lucrative business model for some law firms who do nothing but send cease and desist letters, thousands each year.

I only got caught for a few seconds according to their letter, but that was enough to get me into trouble. Not sure what the reason was, perhaps I started the VPN too late or maybe systemd was stopping the VPN service before qBt got closed when I was shutting the laptop down. Either way, this probably wouldn't have happened if I had set the correct network interface in qBt and I've learnt to always do that first whenever I install a torrent client. I can only advise everyone to also check the publicly visible torrent IP with tools like this, just to be sure.

Smooth sailin' me hearties! 🏴‍☠️

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The IP checker you linked likes to flag false positives. I just checked it on my phone and it claimed that my IP address was being leaked, despute me using a VPN and the IP they listed being my VPN's server

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I swear, getting a letter and/or email about your piracy is definitely a rite of passage. My parents have definitely gotten a couple for things I've done (since they pay for the service) and I regret nothing.

Probably not accurate whatsoever, but I like to think ISPs and such refuse to drop your service if they're a big enough ISP because that's less money for their greedy cannon fodder of a CEO and won't do anything unless the government or a larger company comes along either serving them a lawsuit or legal letters/documents.

[–] JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It definitely felt like a right of passage lol. Ill be saving that. Might have to put it up on the wall to look back upon in my elder days.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

I kinda wish I could save mine now that you mention it, but I don't have access to my parents emails and they've probably long since deleted the email.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Were you using a public or private tracker?

[–] JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Public I assume, I'm pretty new to torrenting and haven't really dove into private trackers yet. Any resources your recommend on reading up on that?

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It can be tough to get an invite to a private tracker, but that's all I've been using in my 20 years of torrenting and I've never received an ISP letter. I don't use a VPN. Just keep an eye out for open sign-ups. Once you're in, it's essential to keep a good ratio.

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tormenting? That sounds a bit extreme

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[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

~~/r/opentrackers~~ /r/opensignups to find openings and read the rules of wherever you're joining. Typically, they just want you to seed for X amount of time within Y days. I've also been temporarily banned once for not having any activity several days after joining on one of the more popular sites.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 month ago

That sub was banned. There is r/OpenSignups though. You can monitor the rss feed if you don't want to go on reddit.

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[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 14 points 1 month ago

Your link is broken

Also, visit here for a tool that lets you test and ensure your torrent client isn't leaking

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

My father got us kicked off our ISP for downloading music from random public trackers.

I've been on private ones for years and never gotten a warning.

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[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago

I have hundreds of those. I'm in Canada though so I don't care.

[–] kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Copyright warnings are fairly common in developed nations like much of western Europe and say, US right? Do they result in prosecutions as well( would it be worth it for an ISP to take an individual user to court and spend time and money on it?)

Copyright warnings are almost unknown in my country or much of the underdeveloped / developing world.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago

No prosecutions in many many years.

But, with the new oligarchy dictatorship in progress... I would not be surprised to see Sony get some bills passed to have ISPs cut you off permanently.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 10 points 1 month ago

In Germany you don't get warnings, you'll have to pay a fine immediately and if you get caught again you signed a notice that you'll pay absurd amounts then.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Mostly us stuff, never heard of one in Europe

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I got one a few years ago (Europe), but you just throw them out, they're meaningless threats without action behind and to my knowledge no one has been convicted based on one ever in my country. But if you torrent copyrighted material without a VPN here, you'll definitely be getting them.

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In my experience in Canada, no, not at all. I've only had two but the impression I got was the ISP is legally obligated to pass the notice along and nothing more. The companies complaining are likely American and the ISP want to keep me as a regular paying customer.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 month ago

I don't believe the ISP would have legal standing to take you to court, as they don't hold the copyright.

They're in the middle, being told hy copyright holders that someone using their service is violating copyright, and they must "do something".

Eventually they may shut off your service, but I haven't heard of it happening since the early 2000's.

[–] Lysergid@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

In Poland you can download but not allowed to upload/seed. I don’t know is that the way law written or it’s just not enforced.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)
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