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[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 170 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Confidently incorrect is the default with these people. I spend most of my time with family aggressively correcting misinformation about my field and related ones. They will die earlier thinking they know more because of Youtube. Getting them to stop taking bad health advice and mystery joint injections from a fucking chiropractor is the latest battle.

[–] vaguerant@fedia.io 103 points 1 month ago (7 children)

The impression of legitimacy enjoyed by chiropractic is too damn high. I was well into my 20s before I ever heard a single word about it being pseudoscience. Walking around (usually on people's fucking spines) calling themselves doctors, I absolutely believed it was just some sub-variety of physiotherapy, which I guess is the point. In the whole universe of alternative medicine, I think that has to be the practice which has most effectively disguised itself as conventional medicine. It's gross.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was well into my 20s before I ever heard a single word about it being pseudoscience.

every fucking tv show and film referring to them as some sort of curer of back issues probably doesn't help

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[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I walked in to a chiropractors' office once to try and see if they'd take me for an appointment, found a brochure proudly proclaiming that chiropractic treatments can help cure autism and cancer, and turned right the fuck around and walked back out.

If you think you need a chiropractor you actually need a physical therapist and anyone trying to tell you otherwise is lying to you.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I guess I should count myself lucky for where I grew up: there's a big/famous chiropractic school in this city, so this creepy motherfucker was on TV commercials all the time:

Never mind quackery; I thought it was legitimately some sort of cult!

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 136 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (14 children)

Note how they always enshrine gender in biology, but then make all kinds of non-biological statements about what gender is.

"XX is woman"/"Large gametes is woman"/"can conceive is woman"

And then they'll say

"Women aren't as aggressive", "women are more emotional", "women like being in the home more", "those are women's clothes", etc.

The only reason it's so important for it to be biological is because of how it punishes gender non-conformity and makes the lives of trans people hell. Like it isn't ideologically consistent and they know that. They just don't care. If it was just about genitals or chromosomes, then why is it that gender dictates all these social things about us? The only reason to root gender in how you were born is to ensure gender roles are as rigid and immutable as possible.

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 month ago (2 children)

how it punishes ~~gender~~ non-conformity

Fit the mold or die. Always the same.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

To be fair, a Person with a PhD still can have Dunning-Kruger on other subjects.

Ben Carson is a great Neurosurgeon, but dumbass on politics.

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[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Wait until they learn about XXY, XYY, and XO individuals.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 59 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There hugs AND kisses people?

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[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 27 points 1 month ago

I swear I was learning about extra X and Y in high school 20 years ago and that studies (at the time) were showing correlation between different traits displayed by effected people. Just that alone shows incredible gender fluidity.

So where we are, 20 years later, you’d think we’d have a better understanding within society but instead somehow it’s literally regressed since then.

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[–] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 61 points 4 weeks ago (17 children)

I think a lot of these XX XY "only two genders" people aren't just dunning Kruger, they're transphobic idiots with an agenda. So even if they had the science and knowledge it wouldn't matter because they're pushing their hateful stupid agenda, facts and logic be damned. They don't care, they just want to rationalize hating us trans people because we make them uncomfy.

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 22 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I would honestly be very surprised if any Republican politicians actually care about sex or gender. I think they're just evil and those are convenient issues to divide the working class. When you don't have popular policy in real issues, you need to make up some fake ones to get people to still support you.

[–] drthunder@midwest.social 23 points 4 weeks ago

The current moral panic about queer people is definitely manufactured, but the hatred that it's stirred up is still real. All the religious psychos in power (including Speaker of the House Mike Johnson) really believe that stuff and want to enforce their hierarchy.

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[–] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 57 points 1 month ago (3 children)

While this is very funny, and definitely representative of a sort of ignorance/arrogance commonly found in ideologues - I recently learned that most people talking about the effect have, in fact, been Dunning-Krugering themselves.

Insightful video on the topic.

What most people expect the effect to look like:

What the actual results were:

[–] anthropomorphized@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Fig 1 is a modified emotional change curve applied in learning and business settings. The term "Valley of Despair" is used in both concepts, and it's cool, memorable verbiage, but it shouldn't imply relation between Dunning-Kreuger and the change curve

https://forfengdesigns.com/tips-on-clawing-your-way-out-of-the-valley-of-despair-when-you-are-starting-a-new-business/

Image description: A modified emotional change curve from Evocon with Y-Axis being "attitude during change process" and X-Axis is time. There are 6 emotional phases described on this chart: 1. Neutral attitude, no knowledge; 2. Initial excitement, motivated; 3. Denial, indifferent, passive, apathy; 4. Resistance, frustration, doubt, anxiety (this phase falls below neutral and is described as "The Valley of Despair"); 5. Exploration, energized, small wins, creative; 6. Commitment, enthusiasm, problem solving, focus, team work.

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[–] holdstrong@lemm.ee 52 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

“It’s basic biology” mfs when advanced biology

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 35 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

it is basic biology, ie biology simplified to teach a kid in middle school. the thing is sciences don't stop at middle school level. a lot of university education is about clarifying that things you learned before were simplified to the point that they're practically useless if not outright wrong.

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[–] psoul@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Can I get a T shirt that says “I have Dunning-Krueger and your Phd looks cute”? I just have a lot of BS to share and I don’t want to be sorry about it.

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[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Yeah but science can be proven wrong an change over time, while my beliefs and biases are forever!"

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[–] Zzyzx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You know how a bunch of villains are Dr. So-and-So? I bet it's dealing with morons talking about your area of expertise that leads to one's villain era.

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[–] EnthusiasticNature94@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

I agree with Dr. Jey McCreight on the science.

But for determining truth, both sides are wrong here.

Dunning-Kruger is bad, but so is credentialism and appeal to authority.

Many people with PhD's have had Dunning-Kruger. Someone else mentioned Ben Carson being great at neurosurgery, but not politics.

A PhD doesn't make you infallible.

I am saying this as someone who is taking graduate-level courses and will be pursuing my PhD. When I'm correct, it's not because my future PhD causes reality to magically conform to my opinions - it's because I rigorously looked at the evidence, logic, and formed my own conclusion that better aligns with reality.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

You can even be incorrect on a subject you have expertise in.

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Can someone explain to me how some XX people become cis male?

[–] match@pawb.social 77 points 1 month ago (3 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

tldr biology is dice rolls and humans are intersex for no reason sometimes

on a side note one of my friends had this and she only found out when she started transitioning. she is now a trans woman with XX chromosomes. i can only imagine how fucking vindicating it must have felt

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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 month ago

De La Chappell syndrome, congenital adrenal hyperplasia, androgen exposure in utero, ovotesticular disorder of of sex development all result in a person with cis male characteristics and in some cases cis male typical genitalia despite having xx chromosomes

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 40 points 1 month ago

Gene expression is not as straightforward as people think. All sorts of weird shit can happen, and that's not even including gene mutations.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/assets/File/Pitch_sketch_final.png?w=2000

This is the best resource I've seen to show things relatively simply.

The TL;DR is that a whole "Y" chromosome isn't exactly responsible for "maleness", the SRY gene is. It's normally on the Y chromosome, but mutations can occur placing that gene onto the X chromosome. Inversely, someone could inherit a Y chromosome without that gene, in which case they would develop with female traits.

It's not considered trans because someone with 46XX plus the SRY gene would develop male genitalia, be identified as male at birth, and likely identify themselves as male. For some types of these conditions, there are plenty of people walking around with no clue that their chromosomes don't match their gender.

Disclaimer: I'm not a geneticist, so i could have explained something a little off.

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[–] OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I googled it for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

In 90 percent of these individuals, the syndrome is caused by the Y chromosome's SRY gene, which triggers male reproductive development, being atypically included in the crossing over of genetic information that takes place between the pseudoautosomal regions of the X and Y chromosomes during meiosis in the father.[2][7] When the X with the SRY gene combines with a normal X from the mother during fertilization, the result is an XX genetic male. Less common are SRY-negative individuals, those who are genetically females, which can be caused by a mutation in an autosomal or X chromosomal gene.[2] The masculinization of XX males is variable.

[–] Didros@beehaw.org 18 points 1 month ago

You've heard of xy people and xx people, but wait till you hear about X people!

Or xxx people, or xxy people, or... dies

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 26 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

One time a woman told me that my lack of a second X Chromosome meant I would "always be a man"

So I gaslit her into thinking her husband had klinefelters.

I hate how Republicans think transphobia is science

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[–] alykanas@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

How do you know if someone has a PhD.?

They tell you

Never not true

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 1 month ago

I never tell people I have a PhD. It's rude, plus I don't have one.

[–] papertowels@mander.xyz 34 points 1 month ago

I mean yeah, if you spent 5 years of your life pushing the edge of human understanding on a subject, and a shithead tells you to do the science on your research subject, it's relevant lol

[–] ygajbm2sjcxbggbc0zfb@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

Tbf, they kinda earned the right to brag.

[–] Franklin@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 month ago

True, but I do think it was warranted in this case.

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago

This is putting confirmation bias to the extreme.

[–] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well you don't know people with PhD that don't tell you they have one

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[–] 4oreman@lemy.lol 19 points 1 month ago (7 children)
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[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The phrase is funny but you wouldn't catch me dead wearing a logical fallacy

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[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm a bit uninformed on this; it seems fascinating. Do these things happen due to something unusual during the growth of a fetus? What's the name for this phenomenon?

[–] dondelelcaro@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago (6 children)

There's a bunch of them, but one more common example is Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

It's also possible to have a non-functional SRY (XY but female), or to be XX with an SRY translocation (XX but male).

Biology is complicated: pretty much anyone who says it only happens one way or is really simple is wrong.

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