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[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 114 points 1 week ago (32 children)

It pisses me off to no end when people conflate legitimate criticism of Democrats with tankie rhetoric. The Dems are complacent, listless, corrupt, and lazy. They refuse to stand up to the Republicans until it's too late or doesn't matter.

The people want progressive politics: universal healthcare, living wage, affordable housing, education, and food. We want a sustainable future and an end to corporate greed.

The donor class, superpacs, and other sources of dark money in politics are what keep nearly everyone corrupt. Its addictive.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 53 points 1 week ago (22 children)

It pisses me off to no end when people conflate legitimate criticism of Democrats with tankie rhetoric.

Last election season went something like this:

Progressives: "Please stop sending weapons to a genocidal maniac who is using them to murder children in order to grab land. And stop actively protecting said genocidal maniac from consequences in the international community."

Establisment: "STFU tankie!"

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 74 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

I’m just punching right. Tell the Dems to stop standing there.

And it was the Dems who sued the socialist candidate off of the ballot in my state. Not the GOP. They occupy leftist space to prevent leftward movement, while Dems ally with the GOP to push through fascism.

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[–] echolalia@lemmy.ml 70 points 1 week ago (16 children)

"Tankies" made no measurable difference in the 2024 election. There's next to none of them in the USA. Go ahead: ask real people in your offline life what a tankie is, and see if even one single person has even heard that word.

Unless, of course, you're just applying that word to anyone whos not a Republican that's criticizing the dems. Then I suppose you'll find "tankies" everywhere.

It feels like a word that's just being used to divide the left.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s the lib version of “woke”; it’s not even used for its original meaning anymore

“All the tankie college kids who love Hamas lost Kamala the election” ok Kristen I’m sure they’re tankies. Please just finish watching your DVR of the Today show

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you for clarifying, because I was confused. Like... 'Are the Tankies in the room with us now, OP?'

What you're saying sounds correct, because I don't know anyone to the left of Harris who didn't recognize that Trump was worse. While I think that I might have one friend who refused to vote for her in a swing state, I think that the BlueAnon folks really misunderstood the actual consequences of losing support on the left.

It wasn't really, imo, that those folks wouldn't show up. The problem was that I think a lot of folks never realized how much young blue-haired leftists dragged Biden across the finish line in 2020 by knocking on doors and convincing their uncles to vote Dem. I said throughout the election that losing those people wasn't really a risk of losing their votes, it was a risk of losing the core enthusiasm and turnout organizing that Democrats had largely outsourced to Bernie Sanders' base. And I could be wrong, but all that I've seen seems to affirm that this is exactly what happened.

If someone has evidence otherwise, though. please let me know.

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[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 58 points 1 week ago (78 children)

What a stupid post. Yeah it's progressives' fault mango Mussolini is POTUS /s. This is a talking point manufactured by MAGA handlers that some broadly Dem-supporting people choose to broadcast, now outside the US. This is a type of brainrot that undermines critical thinking, divides the left, and helps elect the right. Canada deserves better

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[–] peppers_ghost@lemmy.ml 55 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The difference is we don't expect anything good from Republicans. We expect libs to at least try but they'd rather punch left than effectively govern.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago

I'm sure appealing to the non-existant moderate republicans will work again.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (110 children)

6 months in and Liberals are still trying to blame their election loss on the left.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago

Ja, this meme is tripe. Tankies are the Lemmy bogeyman, used the same as 'woke' by the right.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

If centrists wanted criticism of republicans, they could have done that more.

But then they might not have got the endorsement of dick cheney. establishment democrats punched left and embraced the right.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 week ago

Its like how they never go after the war crimes of the last guy, it would open themselves to be prosecuted for their own war crimes.

Why call out the bad things Trump does when you can court the mythical unicorn of "the disillusioned Republican" who is somehow not a total Fox News-brainwashed racist dipshit. Calling him and his supporters would would hurt a possible ex-Trump voter. All 4 of them.

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[–] Muyal@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Current US: a neoliberal capitalist nightmare being ruined by CEOs

Your most intelligent American: This is definitely the socialists' fault

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

CEOs, openly supporting Trump to win: "This is good for business, he'll make us richer."

Liberals: "This is the fault of like 100 people online who like socialism on the internet, where 1% of Americans are even aware of the place."

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 week ago (28 children)

As always, point me towards someone supporting Trump on here and I promise I'll give them an earful. There just aren't a lot of them on here. If I spend less time arguing against voting for Trump it's for the same reason I don't spend much time on here arguing against puppy murdering - because most people already agree that murdering puppies/voting for Trump is bad.

Sorry for disrupting the circlejerk, I guess? Like yeah I guess we could spend all our time denouncing puppy murderers and complementing each other over being enlightened enough to recognize puppy murder as bad, but I'd really rather not.

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[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 week ago

I'm punching to the right, it's not my fault the Dems are always standing there 🤷

[–] PantanoPete@lemmy.zip 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yeah the like 10 tankies in the US really threw that election...? The takes from people on lemmy are so fucking strange.

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[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 38 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Seriously blaming the tankies again? How bourgeoisie of you lol

If you want to blame something, blame the media. Both news and social media have completely sold out for profit. You CANNOT have a democracy if vast parts of your population is being misinformed. And this started with talk radio in rural areas many decades ago. And the democrats did nothing - because they are not left. Thanks for all the empty "Hope and Change" Obama!

So yeah, blame socialists all you want but their critique was valid.

You need a revolution or reformation. A massive change in who owns the means of communication to have a free press again that is not purely profit driven. Can you even imagine that? Is that something you would say? No. You'd rather blame and denigrate socialists and call them tankies. Look at the mass protests, it seems the libs aren't even calling for Trump to step down and demand new election lol. People would rather bow to unjust laws and simplistic principles than believe in democracy. Of course they are all being stage managed.

But this is just pathetic.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Most of the mainstream media is owned by a few rich fucks, corporations who strive to make money. Corporations love fascism because that gives them more power and less regulations, so ofc they do everything in their power to enable fascism.

The biggest lie I was told in school was that the market is thriving in competition, it doesn't. Corporations always want monopolies, so competitors are usurped and driven out by any means necessary.

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[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 week ago (54 children)

Republicans are always evil. They don't do anything good. Ever. They're a known quantity. That's what we expect of them.

We expect the Dems to be better. And they get the smoke when they fail at that. Cutting Corp taxes. Border crackdowns. Genocide. Those are things that should exclusively be the pervue of Republicans. If dems run to the right they will always lose because the right was so triggered by Obama that policy doesn't matter to them whatsoever. It's purely teamsport for them. You can't appeal to them in any way. They see a (D) and vote against that person. Dems would never lose another election if they went only as far left as Bernie Sanders. We would have a perpetually booming economy and a high standard of living. But even that is far too far for the DNC Services Corp. So we get a gameshow host and a car salesman destroying everything.

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[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought Democrats were better than Republicans because Democrats will at least listen. Why would I waste my time criticizing the side that doesn't listen.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Really..? I feel like all the tankie (tanky?) discourse I've personally seen has only had vile hatred to say about trump. (namely hexbear)

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[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is just a meme designed to divide people who share common interests in opposing corruption and to turn them against each other instead.

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[–] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (9 children)

People criticize the dems because they hope the dems might listen.

We need a way to have our voices heard if you don't want us shouting and protesting.

To reduce infighting amongst the democrats, create official avenues for grievances and disagreements to be settled that can actually influence party platform and trajectory without tearing the movement apart.

Use the settling of our varied perspectives to bind us so that our unsettled disagreements don't tear us apart.

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 29 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Oh no dems are not perfect let's Satan/Hitler win to teach them a lesson!

Like bruh try won't learn but let's get rid of Satan/Hitler first. And ill be first to turn on them.

[–] niemcycle@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And that's the thing, the Dems losing doesn't teach them any lesson, they're not going to pivot to the left because they lost, they'll only double down on neoliberalism.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 39 points 1 week ago (8 children)
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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

they’re not going to pivot to the left because they lost

We see that exact thing happening now. They haven't learned a thing.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 week ago

Nancy Pelosi was in a hospital in Europe and actively blocked AOC from taking a leadership role right after the election. The fucking Democrats censured the single member of their party that called Trump out on his BS during his victory lap. Then Schumer shit the bed a couple weeks ago.

Establishment Dems are actively preventing any kind of progress, all while whining about how we need to do something!

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're willing to sacrifice one minority group to Satan, why should members of other minority groups not believe they are next?

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

tell me you don't actually talk to "tankies" without telling me you don't actually talk to "tankies".

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[–] WereHacker@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Im an european socialist and thought tankies were a degoratory term for authoritarian communists. I did not think the few commies in the states mattered that much in your public debate. Or am misunderstanding everything about the meme?

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[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago (61 children)

Anyone that uses the term "Tankie" unironically to refer to people to the left of them and the Democratic party are not a part of the left.

It's always helpful to identify the liberals that are getting "scratched" though.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (16 children)

It's the good old Red Scare but using the word "tankie" instead of "commie" and the people doing it now are just as devoid of ethics and hard right as the Macarthists were.

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago

It's a self report on the level of people who use dog whistles so loud they are foghorns. Just a word or two in the right context and you know you can ignore everything else you've read by them in the last 30 seconds.

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[–] manicdave@feddit.uk 20 points 1 week ago

Republicans are going to republican. Democrats at least have the pretense of representing their constituents interests.

It's like if an oil tanker that takes ten miles to stop was bearing down on a small passenger ferry. Sure it might be the fault of the tanker's crew but they can't stop and they won't stop. The democrats driving the ferry have the capacity to easily save everyone on board and simply refuse to do so. That's why people shout at them.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yes it was the "slight corruption" that "tankies" are criticizing Dems for. Give me a break.

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