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[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Please don't equate indigenous healing and science, and the people who practice it ("shamans", which is not even a very well defined term) with the quackery RFK sponsors and promotes. You're relying on anti-indigenous tropes to "own" the chuds, please refrain from doing so.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Having 300 cases of measles without any dead very likely statistically speaking. The issue is that the (relatively, it would be several hundred thousand dead in the US without a vaccine) low mortality and risk of other complications is avoidable.

Anyway, I wish they’d pick a lane between measles is harmless and good to give to your kids and that it is imperative to give your kids snake oil to treat it lest they die a horrible death.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 46 points 1 week ago

It's the same shit they do with covid. It's not real but also it's a Chinese bioweapon but also you don't need the vaccine which is itself a bioweapon that will kill you but also this horse dewormer will stop covid but also it's fake and the doctor isn't telling you about what illnesses you actually have so they can get paid by Big Pharmah.

Just contradictory nonsense all the way down. It's typical of fascists to have beliefs that don't solve their problems because they're not rooted in reality, so they have to make up new solutions to maintain the lie.

[–] Crucible@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

budesonide is mostly an asthma treatment, clarithromycin is an antibiotic that does cardiovascular damage and will give you a yeast infection because it kills a lot of good bacteria. Presumably RFK jr or somebody associated who feeds him this 'information' holds investments in the pharma companies who create these drugs, probably these quack doctors as well. It's definitely not remotely 'shaman' like, or 'herbs and tree bark'

They're 100% focusing on this group of particularly weird mennonites to solidify antivax as a freedom of religion aspect for the US christians. Hopefully this makes them cloister together so they don't share it with the rest of us instead

[–] blame@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

isnt this the same schtick he was doing during covid? I'm glad to hear both covid and measles can apparently be cured the same way.

[–] Sulv@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean, this kind of treatment isn't unheard of. Viral pneumonia or secondary bacterial pneumonia is the cause of death in most measles deaths I think. Inhaled steroids (budesonide) and clarithromycin (active against S. pneumoniae) might work. ~~Maybe add levofloxacin on top of that.~~

Nix that last bit, fluoroquinolones aren't used in kids.

That being said, just get fucking vaccinated.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Aren't many steroids immunosuppressive?

Edit: yeah it looks like budesonide is, and specifically warns about chicken pox, measles, herpes, tb, and other infections.

[–] Sulv@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Generally with long term use, they're used short term to treat all sorts of inflammation due to infection

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Sulv@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're curious, it looks like the jury is still out on acute use of inhaled corticosteroids in pneumonia

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8162532/

Given dissociation between systemic and pulmonary anti-inflammatory effects of systemic CS and the established anti-inflammatory effects of inhaled CS in the alveolar compartment, inhaled CS are attractive candidates for adjuvant therapy in patients with pneumonia. Moreover, systematic CS have been associated with adverse effects, including hyperglycemia, increased rate of bleeding and secondary infections . Such side effects can be avoided or significantly minimized with the use of inhaled CS. There is a decent body of literature that supports, at the very least, clinical equipoise and dictates need for further trials.

But I think this study shows their benefit

In a double-blinded, multicenter feasibility trial by Festic et al., sixty patients at high risk for acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) were randomized to receive an early 5-day course of inhaled budesonide and formoterol versus placebo (median time between presentation and treatment administration was less than 9 h). The primary outcome, oxygenation improvement, assessed by the ratio of pulse oxygen saturation to the fraction of inspired oxygen (S/F) was significantly improved in the treatment group. The improvement in oxygenation was limited to the subgroup of patients with pneumonia (N = 37, preplanned analysis). Results also showed that patients in the treatment arm had lower rates of mechanical ventilation (53% versus 21%, p = 0.01) and ARDS (23% vs. 0%, p = 0.01), and shorter hospital and ICU length of stays. There was an imbalance in shock between the two groups (14 (47%) in the placebo versus 4 (13%) in the treatment group); however, oxygenation improved in all patients with shock who received inhaled CS/BA compared to only 43% of those who had received placebo

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

I think I followed that, interesting to know