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Does Friendica for instances, have something like Facebook Messenger going on? What would be the best for real time communication on both phone and desktop?

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[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Messengers are the archetypal example of software that has to deal with the network effect. IMO we don't have the luxury of trying and using lots of FOSS messengers and never picking a winner. At some point there has to be only one left if we want anyone to use it.

The frontrunner candidate is Matrix.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I wouldn't care if I had to use multiple messanger apps. There used to be a pc program that let you login to msn, irc, and yahoo messanger all at once and manage your accounts in one place.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Yes, it was called Pidgin. But things become more complex when you add E2E encryption. The ideal destination is a single agreed protocol, just like one exists for things like telephones, the web, and email.

[–] scroll_responsibly 2 points 16 hours ago

Pidgin… which still exists

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

For group chat, I'd agree, but Matrix is awful for 1:1 chat. The encryption is a PITA, confusing, and, by now, I'm convinced it will always be.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Sad if true. I don't see it being practical to tell people to use different apps depending on the number of interlocutors.

[–] StrawberryPigtails 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Matrix or XMPP. Personally I’d go with Matrix. World’s on fire and Matrix is encrypted by default.

[–] Botzo@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago

A couple days ago, I stumbled into an interesting take on Matrix without the setup barriers: https://letsconvene.im/

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

XMPP, all modern clients support OMEMo E2E encryption out of the box. Works on all platforms.

[–] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 12 points 22 hours ago
[–] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Sup is one. It's from the dev of Pixelfed. Unlike the other non-fediverse platforms the others mentioned here (XMPP and Matrix), it will use the ActivityPub protocol and will be E2EE.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

sounds like a vanity project has half his name and should that man really be spreading himself more thin, is loops even federated

[–] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 1 points 16 hours ago

Frankly, I don't like dansup and his cocky behaviour. But if Sup ever does become reality, then it will be a real alternative. And no, Loops is not federated.