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[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 94 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

But none of this gets to the most jaw-dropping part of this. Musk and Thiel propose making this network of hundreds of surveillance and attack satellites into a subscription service that the Musk/Thiel/Luckey consortium would own and the Pentagon would subscribe to. Not only is this crazy and absurd but it goes without saying that in no normal time would anyone at the Pentagon be okay with the US not owning the hardware at the center of national defense. We’ve seen how this goes with Starlink, where Musk routinely threatens to turn the system on or off based on his whims and opens up separate lines of communications and perhaps deals with adversary leaders like Vladimir Putin.

Of course Musk and Thiel and Palmer freaking Luckey would use this opportunity to not only get apparent no-bid contracts to build this unworkable mess, they'd get permanent parasitic access to government funds just to keep it going.

No part of this makes any strategic sense.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 57 points 6 days ago

Forget the grift. Letting degenerate corpos have full ownership and control of a global network of attack satellites sounds like a fast track to the Cyberpunk timeline. Why would they not turn it on their masters when they have outright stated they think they should rule the world?

Subscription military service. Some really dystopian stuff I’ve only heard of when imagined in some pretty cynical sci-fi books.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Once these fascists are in jail, it will be important to nationalize spacex, starlink, and this bullshit if it ever happens.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Once these fascists are in jail

We're in the dogshit timeline, we don't get to have nice things like justice. :/

[–] witten@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Not with that attitude.

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 9 points 6 days ago

Makes no strategic sense for the government and for America!

Makes perfect sense if you're billionaires who want to cripple the government and make sure it can never actually stand against you ever again. 🤕

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago

he already has turned off starlink at the behest of putin once, he would do it every single time putin demands, like during ELECTIONS, WHICH some of the voter machine uses apparently.

It's already clearly established that profits come first. This would be a US Defense System... until someone pays more for it not to be.

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

How do YOU like subscription fees US Government? Shitty isn’t it? Then they raise prices on you later and further enshittify. Go ahead, come back in a decade when I told you so. I’ll wait. Or you can just strap Musk to the outside of one of those rockets and launch it. I prefer that much more.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 53 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm GLAD we ELIMINATED FOOD SAFETY INSPECTIONS so we could Afford THIS!

[–] weegee90@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hey now. Some of us may get sick or die, but at least we'll have an overpriced yet somehow super cheaply made satellite security system operated by a ketamine addict.

Wait...

[–] j0ester@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

MAGA supporter: I see nothing wrong here.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 46 points 6 days ago (2 children)

the dude that can't even keep four wheels on a fucking truck is gonna do wut?!?!

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

He is gonna leech tax money for a product that he will never deliver.

[–] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It'll be done by next year

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Or a product that he will have built using tax money, and that he will instead use to hold the world ransom.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Don't worry, he's also got the help of *checks notes... Peter Thiel and Palmer Luckey!

Don't people feel good for supporting the original Oculus Rift now? I'm so glad the godfather of modern VR is an absolute pile of shit and always was!

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Guiding drones to a target is the killer app for VR headsets

He must have watched that pile of shit movie Toys.

[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The three companies met with top officials in the Trump administration and the Pentagon in recent weeks to pitch their plan, which would build and launch 400 to more than 1,000 satellites circling the globe to sense missiles and track their movement, sources said.

A separate fleet of 200 attack satellites armed with missiles or lasers would then bring enemy missiles down, three of the sources said.

People in one forum speculated about Trump's "Golden dome" fantasy a few months ago. I did a calculation on the back of a napkin. My result: not 1000 or 200, but about 9000 interceptor vehicles are required for good coverage. Very lucrative contract, very impractical system - they'll drive the US bankrupt doing this.

And what will a nuclear-armed adversary do? At first, they might do an atmospheric nuclear detonation high over their own country - to get a little privacy. After that, a small number of missiles will launch on flight paths not leading to the target - to create gaps in the sensor and interceptor network by detonating near them in space. Maybe a few minutes later, the main attack will follow. When approaching the target area, the vanguard of the main attack will detonate in atmosphere to ionize air (turn it opaque to radar). Nuclear weapons do not need sensors to navigate or communicate, they use inertial navigation and remain silent. Interceptors need to see and communicate, which can be denied with nuclear weapons.

End result: an advanced attacker will have to spend about 10 minutes to penetrate this defense. It only buys more time to launch a nuclear counter-attack (which could be launched anyway, based on mere observation and early warning).

Satellites are bound by their orbits to spend a lot of time in useless places from the viewpoint of defending a location. This kind of a system makes the defending side over-invest in infrastructure, which is not economical.

[–] xyzzy@lemm.ee 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is the setup to a Bond movie

[–] KulunkelBoom@lemm.ee 27 points 6 days ago

No. that would be taxpayer dollars. taxpayers will pay for this fraud.

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Wannabe feudal lords come for military power, as they always have.

Omg its just like Moonraker

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

So the pentagon is gonna bend over for the sunshine train too? You guys are really fucked if that happens and so are all of us.

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 27 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Shedletsky needs to shut the fuck up. All that bitch did was work on Roblox. Yeah, you really built the modern world you fucking chump.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

A lot of engineers don't realize that there is earned expertise and skill in other fields...or that the consent of the governed matters.

[–] nickwitha_k 4 points 6 days ago

And this is why multidisciplinary education is important.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 3 points 6 days ago

Cops get the benefit of beating people up, engineers get bragging rights for an alleged superiority.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 days ago

Wrong.

Musk plans to take a bunch of money and not deliver.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

One of the sources familiar with the talks described them as “a departure from the usual acquisition process. There’s an attitude that the national security and defense community has to be sensitive and deferential to Elon Musk because of his role in the government.”

Following in the hallowed (retch) footsteps of Dick Cheney and Halliburton's no-bid contracts to "rebuild" Iraq.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 days ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome

Never considered the pros of Kessler syndrome. Also I guess alien defense?.. speed bumps.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 5 points 6 days ago

It'd be a shame if the targeting software got corrupted.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

You mean to pay him to have someone else use it, right?

Because he’s got the cerebral capacity of a cloud of fart particles, and half the personality.

[–] iterable@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

project insight?

[–] fraksken@infosec.pub 1 points 6 days ago