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Like the kind that made you stop and think for a second about how stupid the person advocating it is. For me, it's the classic "The biggest mistake in recent history was the Allies not pushing into Russia after the fall of Berlin."

There's just a level of imperialist arrogance and blood thirst in there that makes my skin crawl. The worst thing in human history was that the US didn't immediately betray the Soviets and wipe them out until they were sure communism was done for.

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[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 1 year ago

Equating communism and fascism.

I mean we seen that a billion times in various versions in mainstream and got used to this but still it's the stupidest fucking thing ever.

[-] paciencia@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 year ago

ooh the horseshoe theory. Trully the pinnacle of political science.

[-] LeninsButcherBill@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago

the horseshoe theory

The horseshit theory

[-] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago

I just used the "social democracy is the left wing of fascism line" and the response was "well ackshually communism is the left wing of fascism and all the damn populists are spoiling our perfect social democracy" Completely braindead.

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[-] Eat_Yo_Vegetables69@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 1 year ago

"Yeah the consequences of the USSR collapse led to 200 million people not doing too well, but at least we saved all those people from the gulags!"

[-] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 year ago

I'm sure I've heard a lot but one that stuck with me is "gunboat diplomacy and imperialism is good actually." From the same mouth a minute later: "the only reason the KMT lost [the fucking Chinese civil war] was because the US stopped giving them weapons. Communists are fundamentally incapable of accomplishing anything on their own."

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Rather sure a large part of the problem was that KMT leadership enjoyed engaging in prostitution and booze. Not even Nazi support could save the incompetent fools. Any KMT cadre worth their salt wound up joining the CPC.

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[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 year ago

Destroying the 3 Gorges Dam is both easy to accomplish and desirable.

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[-] NothingButBits@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago

hmmm, the nuclear genocidal bloodthirst by Europeans and Americans? There's so many average people that think the only way of dealing with Russians, Chinese, Koreans is by nuking them to extinction. Ironically they don't see themselves as the problem.

[-] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago

What's really funny is that those same people would lose their shit if the shoe was on the other foot.

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[-] mulcahey@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Some frat bro looked me dead the eye and was like "We should nuke the Middle East. All of it. How many of them are good people, really?"

This was within 5 minutes of meeting him

[-] RedTed@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

This was the default frat guy view in 2003 in America.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Reminds me of a colleague. He said we (Russia) should nuke Mi6 and announce "we'll do the same to anyone else who'll try us"

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[-] scharf_2x40@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago

I was discussing with a hardcore neo-liberal, almost to the degree of ancap about government and he pointed out, that when centralizing power thr rights of minorities are often overlooked, he said: "Suddenly 3% of the popultation just becomes a meaningless number that can just be sent to their death". The next day, we were discussing about covid restrictions, where my point was simply, that individual freedoms don't count anymore, when there is harm to other. He simply responded with. "oh the 3% that are actually in danger when getting covid, can just stay inside, as if it was worth it restricting myself for them."

[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago

This is a subtle point throughout Hayek's writings. He's always expressing concern for minorities and at first it's like, I thought this guy was supposed to be a neoliberal? Then it slowly dawns on you: the only minority he cares about is the rich.

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

That's the quiet part out loud. Minoritarianism is how all bourgeois democracies are structured.

[-] ihaveibs@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Aren't earlier liberal writings very explicit about such "minority rights"?

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[-] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago

A combination of

  1. Don't tell people to read theory, you have to explain things in simple terms.

  2. Marxist-Leninist ideas of revolution won't work with today's technology and economy.

How to tell someone you haven't even tried to read theory, and then criticise theory based on what you think the theory is, and encourage everyone around you to adopt the same choice of ignorance.

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[-] El_Schnorro@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

Antideutsche (Anti-Germans) claiming that Israel and the US are inherently antifascist and that almost any kind of anti-capitalism is antisemitic.

[-] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Isn't that antisemitic in itself since it implies capitalists are jews?

[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Antideutsche aren't supposed to make sense.

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[-] yearningforfreedom@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Idk if this counts as a hot take but one of my coworkers got drunk as shit at the airbnb our group was staying at and he started ranting about how Jews and Spaniards mixed with Central Africans to create "high yellows" or some shit then complained about his elementary school having too many black people even though it was still majority white in a ritzy part of Atlanta. He also talked about how women are only good for fucking while being married and crying about his cheating wife. Dude clearly drove his first wife away right into the arms of a black guy

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[-] ProbablyKaffe@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

So my state, Washington, is expected to grow by 2 million people by the 2030s and our airport (SeaTac) is expected to grow too crowded to have as many one way destinations as it has right now.

A major Republican just put out an op ed saying that we need to build another airport, but nobody wants to live next to it. So to solve this, we need to plan a new 250k+ city and give it an airport. The level of NIMBYism we are entertaining is a planned economy to keep the landed folks rich.

[-] IntoDaLagoon@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

"Every civilization that has allowed gay.marriage has collapsed"

Apropos of nothing, in the middle of a hangout

[-] senicar@social.cyb3r.dog 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Every civilization that has drank water has collapsed or will very likely collapse at some point eventually probably maybe.

[-] ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Off the top of my head, the craziest thing I ever heard was a liberal on Twitter saying the US should call Russia’s bluff on the nukes and join in militarily with Ukraine. They were saying it’s better to not have an Eastern Europe or possibly world if it means Putin and Xi will be controlling it. It got a lot of attention and not as much hate as it deserved (obv people were calling them idiots but far fewer than any sane person would hope for)

[-] klieg2323@lemmy.piperservers.net 17 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, the classic "better nuclear aniahialation than cede power" take

[-] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Someone on the world of warships forums once advocated for the nuclear destruction of Northern China because he was malding about taiwan computer chips or something. Absolutely deranged.

[-] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Restoring British/French colonialism in the Middle East.

[-] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Dollarize the Argentinian economy.

[-] Saucy_Pauper@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago

I was at a prison abolition talk, and a kid I organize with was super argumentative with the speakers and just way out of line. He went so far as to use the term (likely in some kind of Freudian slip) "you people" to a panel of mostly black women. Just super weird and off putting.

So I talked to him after the panel event and I was telling him about what the abolition movement is and what it isn't. Like he gets cops are bad, how the state uses prisons for slave labor, all that. I was encouraging him to actually engage with the topic and consider these big concepts, but his take at the end was "prisons will be here to stay until every banker is behind bars".

[-] yearningforfreedom@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago

I never understood the whole "banks bad but capitalism good" thing.

[-] Saucy_Pauper@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Right like tons of other mechanisms that keep our capitalist global economy running (however janky) aren't centralized and facilitated by the state. I think AnCap types see the state as oppositional to them because they think it exists in spite of capital, not because of and exclusively for capital lol.

The guy I was talking about isn't a capitalist by any means but I think he definitely has a screw loose.

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[-] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago

I think a multitude of hot takes fit, but I really dislike when liberals go after socialists for completely unrelated perceived flaws. Y'know, "Che was a homophobe", "~~literally every 19th century European~~ Stalin was anti-semitic", "Gaddafi was misogynistic". Even if those accusations were completely true and not based on astroturfed rumours or ridiculously over-blown or taken out of context, what does that have to do with their views on capitalism? If it turned out that Karl Marx really fucking hated the Irish for no reason, would that make all his writing useless all of a sudden?

Cheating a bit, but I also had an acquaintance describe their near "Westminster MP" level salary for a remote job as "barely making it into the middle class", and that has been haunting me for months.

[-] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

It is a simple one really: that imperialism brought civilization, technology, and relative prosperity to the natives (some youtube channel that "debunked" communism said this)

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