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[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

I think this so much less convincing than selling AI as a replacement for skilled labor, not as a way to intentionally deskill actual software engineers.

Capitalism already has a way of preventing you from making your own commodities - you sell your time, and the less they pay you for it relative to how much you need to live, the less time you have for yourself to put towards self sufficiency. We don't have many FOSS products, not because nobody has the knowledge or skill to make them, but because nobody has the time to make them.

There are plenty of reasons to hate corporate-owned AI products, we don't need to be hallucinating new ones.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Really wish they'd be a direct link to the source, not solely a screenshot. Is this the Web?

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is the opposite of that 'teach a man to fish and he'll never grow hungry" etc.

[–] Bearlydave@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day, light him on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

This has been happening for quite a while. Do you know how to work a sewing machine? Have you ever repaired your clothes? Oh well, back to Walmart.

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago

yeah, or cooking good point, that's very worrisome

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I use copilot at work. the predictive generation is pretty good i.e you start writing a for loop and it finishes it for you with all the variable names used correctly (most of the time). This also has the added benefit of making you name your variables clearly. the better they are the better the predicitions will be. i wouldnt trust it to do more than that though

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[–] YourMomsTrashman@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

A friend of mine wanted to make an incremental game. I told them "hey that's a pretty good project to learn programming with" but they insisted on using an LLM. Then they proudly showed me what they got so far, it was a decent looking singular html page, but without any game logic whatsoever. Most of the code was just stylesheets - and even those had some questionable things going on lol

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

On the other side, if it's "deskilling" to do vibe coding instead of real coding isn't this person saying that the barrier to entry for coding has been lowered?

Either vibe coding is not effective and is therefore not taking away the skill of coding or it is effective enough to replace aspects of coding that you would otherwise need to develop the skill to do.

Like if I'm an engineer or a real estate agent or a business...dude, and I want to use coding in my field but I don't have the time or desire to start learning a whole skill (anywhere from having children to just learning too many skills already) I assume vibe coding is my best friend.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I think it can do some stuff, especially some entry level tedium.

So far I haven't seen a single success on the specific things I've tried it for, even when pretty short, other than exceedingly trivial things like reminding me whether this language has a join as a string method or as an array method of o don't use it that often.

I do see potential for an awkward gap between unskilled and skilled where an entry level person doesn't have as clear a path to getting actually better. In math this generally happens in school, where they keep students from using the most effective tools until they prove they can do without it. So education might have to go a bit further into programming skills rather than delegating quite so much to the professional workplace that may be less inclined.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

TBH I always felt the same way with "Blueprint" programming where you plug nodes into nodes.

To this day never once used them.

[–] YourMomsTrashman@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

It's basically the same as programming, just very indirect and slow- but it still requires you to fundamentally understand the concepts of the 'modules' you are using. Vibe coding has borderline random elements.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

Are there seriously scientists who think AI assistants are good enough for the job?

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I mean it's only a problem depending on the cost of the tools? Renting 4-5k a year worth of tools to make 150k might be ok to some people. While you are at risk of every increasing prices you could just use the time that it's cheap now to when it gets expensive later to educate yourself.

What's the alternative give some college 250k plus crazy interest rates and 4 years of your life?

Just like with all tools blue collar or white they are worth what you can earn from using them.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Shitholes rearing their head thr last 5 6 years made a lot of people forget , America is also a massive shithole

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 3 points 3 weeks ago

Vibe coding is stupid

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

You can use local models for free, it's just slower.

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