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The so-called "Respectful Cowbee" isn't so respectful after all, well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked (lemmy.world)

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[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 84 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Here's a funny joke.

There are 3 new instances, 1 day old; and all users of those instances have universally decided this post is worthy of a downvote. Hmmmm 🤔

Defederated from them all. @cm0002@lemmy.world they all decided this post was bad too https://threadiverse.link/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45804501

I've told other admins about this. (Thanks quokk.au admin for bringing this up!)

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Lol I figured, there's also a 1-2 day old account @TheDregg@lemmy.world whose sole purpose in life is to downvote LMAO https://lemvotes.org/user/TheDregg@lemmy.world

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yikes, i didn't know lemvotes can see a user's every single vote 🫠 even i can't do that with my admin powers. Sounds creepy, to say the least but :shrug: not the important thing here.

I'll tell an LW admin about this. Votes can't be removed, but they can be stopped.

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Well, you won’t believe this.

THREE WHOLE INSTANCES HAVE BEEN MADE, to purely mass downvote all your posts.

Congratulations, sir; that’s not something i see everyday lmao.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (3 children)

LMAO ig im really starting to piss off the tankies 😂

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This one lemming managed to piss off both tankies and the far-right. Well done. 😆

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it really should be an achievement badge.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Perhaps something with this logo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Arrows

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

… any monarchists around we could piss off also?

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I originally had seven bots downvoting me constantly. Thankfully, the good admins of this instance have blocked them, but yeah, bots and organised brigades are quite common, as well as doxx attempts.

I've had a few tankies trying to dox me in their private circles, going in quite a lot of detail about how to do so, but they came up with the wrong identity both times.

We had a thread recently that was downvoted over 25 times by the same user creating multiple alts. Fortunately they were detected and all their accounts were banned and they have since left Lemmy -- Turns out they have been using these bots for almost two years to make all their comments viral.

[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 6 points 1 week ago

So pathetic looool

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

it really should be an achievement badge.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Now, I am not saying this is wrong or anything but earlier today I saw a post for Lemvotes, checked it out and it was showing that I have down voted every single post and comment I've ever viewed. I rarely vote in either direction, so I don't think it's currently working right.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

Same. It also appears to list downvotes first, so any long list that gets truncated might look like a downvote machine.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ctrl-End and it'll take you to the bottom where your upvotes are. No clue why it sorts that way.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm Lemvotes's dev, would you prefer to have it sort purely by the time of publication?

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That would seem more like people would expect.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 2 points 1 week ago

I'll add a toggle for it.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is someone mad that their bomber fleet was rapidly disassembled?

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

meta: I hate how threadiverse.link works. the "just take me there" button does not work without scripts and cookies. it would be useful, but e.g. for me it's just in the way

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 week ago

I honestly couldn’t care less how polite they are. If you are denying or justifying genocide or other mass human suffering, it doesn’t matter how polite you are.

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

There has been a pinned thread on !microblogmemes@lemmy.world where the mod asks people to stop reporting everything they don’t like.

I wonder if these two cases are connected.

[–] lemonmelon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is that a trait typically assigned to them, or just a self-claimed virtue? In either case, the facade has always seemed flimsy and of poor construction.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

It's typically assigned, which if you compare to other .ml'ers like BrainInABox they are rather respectful. But as we can see, it's only on the surface lol

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 12 points 1 week ago

Everytime you post Tankies go above and beyond to downvote just for you lol.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.world/post/30716282

hmm.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 1 week ago

Wait we aren't reporting everything we don't like with the goal to censor the content?!!?

[–] AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's such an obvious charade when a thread he comments in a place that is a propaganda hotspot turns into a weird let's begin praising Cowbee personality cult. The downvote brigade on this thread just confirms it. Three instances made just to out yourselves, brilliant thinking there.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

What was the original comment they made?

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 3 points 1 week ago

I’m recycling a removed response I made to Cowbee (talking about hexbear) since for some reason my app decided to show me a nearly one year old thread and I was way to focused in my reply to notice that, got reported and a mod came to remove my comment.

I went through the hassle of debunking every single one of his points and would like the comment to be at least still visible to the public.

They (Hexbear) oppose Capitalism They claim to oppose capitalism, but they support China, which is a state-capitalist authoritarian regime. And no, they’re not “transitioning” — but you'll notice they never acknowledge this contradiction. They also support Russia, an oligarchic, kleptocratic, imperialistic, and authoritarian state currently involved in an unjustified war and genocide.

They oppose colonialism Their opposition to colonialism is selective and convenient. While they criticize colonialism, they actively cheer on countries like Russia, China, and the USSR, which have engaged (and continue to) in their own forms of imperialism.

They oppose Imperialism They claim to oppose imperialism, yet they downplay the situation in Ukraine, falsely labeling it as Nazi-infested. This helps justify their support for Russia's expansionist war, even in the face of ongoing genocide.

They oppose bigotry They support the Iranian regime and love praising groups who bolster fascist Islamic ideologies.

They support Socialism In reality, they support authoritarianism, not socialism. Their version of socialism is one that upholds control and oppression, not liberation or equality.

They support Communism Similar to their stance on socialism, their support for communism is purely theoretical. In practice, they endorse authoritarian regimes that suppress freedom and dissent.

They support Anarchism Despite claiming to support anarchism, they would quickly turn on anyone who even remotely identifies with anarchist principles. Their values directly contradict those of anarchism, which is rooted in anti-authoritarianism and decentralization.

They read Marx, Lenin, Goldman and share memes based on Marxist theory. They pretend to engage with the works of Marx, Lenin, and Goldman. In reality, they use their ideas as a platform to spam communities with incoherent diatribes, angry rants, and memes to confuse and intimidate anyone who dares challenge their views. All of the questions Cowbee ask and the discussions he tries to provoke are just stalling tactics. His main goal is to discourage others from debunking his propaganda. I strongly advise anyone reading this to avoid engaging with this user or even better just block him. His so-called “niceness” is just a façade. He has no intention of genuinely listening to or debating opposing views. His objective is clear: to spread propaganda and manipulate others into accepting his narrative and by extension, China's and Russia's narrative.

it was from the following thread

https://lemmy.ml/comment/9954806

sorry for the wall of text but I felt it necessary as each and every point I made still stands

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't see a lot of reports. What are we looking at here? Who said what?

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Cowbee reported $something for racism, mods banned Cowbee with the reason that $something was anti-CPP, not racist, and presumably this isn't the first time (otherwise it wouldn't be 'abuse'). It would help if we new what $something was

[+] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works -6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What were the comments? Criticism of the CCP often veers towards sino-phobia so I'd be curious how much of a stretch was being made to warrant a ban.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Probably from this thread https://lemmy.world/post/30630208

Its the latest thread that cowbee commented in before getting temp banned.

They probably reported the comments that they replied to.

Those comments have technically true criticisms of China (as in the state), but it gives off a very weird vibe, reminds me of SerpentZA kind of.

Like its a valid criticizm, but the wording/phrasing sound sort of a right-wing feel to it, you know what I mean?

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh, this shit is great. You can see the contradictions.

https://lemmy.ml/comment/18987114

Public Ownership is not Socialism itself, but a component of a Socialist economy. An economy where public ownership controls the large firms and key industries, ie has genuine political control, is Socialist.

https://lemmy.ml/comment/18996384

China is a Socialist country run by a Communist party, which is why the overwhelming majority of major Communist orgs recognize it as such. The economy is dominated by the public sector, which controls the large majority of key industries and large firms.

Nothing screams "the public has genuine political control" like having a single political party which unilaterally bans a cartoon bear because it was compared the head of state.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The comments they replied to don't really seem that way, but elsewhere in that thread looks like the usual type of stuff that .ml communities would Rule 1 pretty quickly. But I'm sure Cowbee knows that's allowed in that instance and community and the mods know he knows too.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yea I should have clarified. I mean this comment:

https://lemmy.world/post/30630208/17430208

Dont need to travel to see that chinese people live in poverty, anything can be done when you are a dictatorship, its corrupt and everything is a scam. Fake meat, fake tofu, tofu drag constructions, 4 billion on a road and all the village got was a gravel path. Where a state teaches kids to hate other nations and disrespect everything for something that happened 80 years ago instead of making sure this does not ever happen again. Where its a national sport to go abroad and harass others. Where the state doesnt care about your stolen things, but if you speak out publicly against it, you will be warned with a kind “take that down, or else”.

If their electric cars are anything to go by, i dont even want to step on their most modern trains even if they give me trillions of GBP.

If the regime is supposed to be an example of progress, well guess then we all should go back to european monarchy and imperialism. Europe thrived in the 19th century afterall. Just look at all those rich people living luxurious lifes. All the advancements in science, medicine, transportation, literatur, architectur, social policies, unification of people split appart and more.

If i were to travel to china they would arrest me on the airport for critisising china and not seeing the CCP as legitimite and supporting taiwan, that being if i would even be allowed to enter the country.

The USA train system is shit, yes, thats not even on debate. Against that even the russian train system is amazing.

Also china didnt build its high speed trains on their own. They used EU and japanese tech.

Japan has the best train system in the entire world, and that without being a supressive, all survaling dictatorship. OP here is comparing shit, scooped from the toilet, to a microwave meal, that got a mediocer plate up. Ofc then in comparison the microwave meal will look better.

Highlighted the parts I feel those bad vibes.

So they said Chinese people live in poverty, which is not entirely false, but it almost felt like the "Chinese people are peasants" racist rhetoric that JD Vance used. I'm not saying that's is necessarily the commenter's intent, but it feels to me that way.

Then "everything is a scam". It would sound a lot better if they said "the government doesn't do anything about the scammers". Because this user's wording sound like he's blaming the people. Like those scam call centers from India, people in youtube comments make "jokes" like: "if you hear someone with an Indian accent, its 100% a scammer", like that's not even true, legit customer service is now outsourced to India, so like that just sounded racist. I feel the same way about the "everything (in China) is a scam" comment.

"Nation sport to harass others" This part feels very wrong. What is this person implying? Feel lile they're saying its what Chinese people do, which it isn't, ultra-nationalists do not represent the entirety of the Chinese population.

The the user made some joke about reverting back to European monarchy because "if CCP dictatorship is so good, why not try European dictatorship where its actually better" 🧐 (Feels a bit like a subtle "If we're doing dictatorship anyways, we Europeans can do a dictatorship better")

"Chine didn't built stuff, its from Western Tech"

Okay "China" might not have built it, but the Chinese People definitely worked on it with their hard labor. As for the so called "IP Theft", like calm down, that's just espionage, espionage is as old as human civilization.

By this logic, Europe "stole" gunpowder from China during colonialism to make firearms to use use against Imperial China.

Disclaimer: I have Chinese ancestry in me, I live in the US where I've encountered racism, so perhaps I'm a bit more sus about potential racism. I'm anti-CCP, but not "anti-China".

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 week ago

Yeah I think the bad vibes there is the implicit racism from that user.