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[–] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 39 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Hm. I trust China with this more than Musk, but still not quite sure what to think of it. This is not a tech that can coexist with capitalism (China not a problem, but other countries importing or copying it) without the absolute worst outcomes.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't excuse China, it can still be a problem. Managed capitalism, even if well managed, is playing with fire and still dangerous.

[–] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

As far as I understand, the managed capitalism is for interacting with the predominantly capitalist world. My hope is that it withers away once revolution across the world finally happens.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

We all hope for this but the reality of the situation is that this is not guaranteed or even necessarily likely to happen. In the short term things are looking pretty hopeful, especially cause the US isn't capable of managing its own decline, so the PRC is gonna be allowed to stand on its own. I hope humanity can navigate that without ww3 popping off, and it's looking 50-50 on that right now (if I'm in a good mood).

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

That is the stated intentional and goals of the party. I we will have to see how the government after thsinoen plays out but ai am currently optimistic and trusting of it's progress

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fire is a useful tool. They seem to be able to handle it well.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

I hope they continue to do so, to all I can do is observe and learn from whatever happens

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

still I'm not sticking one in my head until it's completely open source(software and hardware schematics)and can run openBSD on it(and have a seizure everytime I encounter a driver issue lol)

[–] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

Oh absolutely. I'm not putting proprietary tech in my head. (Says the gal who takes proprietary psychiatric meds...)

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly yeah this is kind of a game over for the hopes of revolution type tech if taken far enough in terms of interfacing with things like memory if they have enough time for mass deployment. You could instantly detect anti-capitalist thought and report it or detonate the chip, perhaps even program and indoctrinate people repeatedly depriving them of free will. If it gets to the point the capitalists can do that we're fucked, it's just over for us. That plus AI plus automation and robotics is a bad mix. Under socialism it would of course be amazing and to great benefit but I deeply fear what happens if this tech gets advanced enough to more than read but also write which seems inevitable. At that point they just pressure the population into them, especially those most likely to revolt while allowing top white collar workers to opt out for the time being.

I don't know, no good answer, if China doesn't do this work someone else will but I almost think it's the type of thing that should be done in absolute secret by security vetted individuals. There's no way the west allows Chinese brain chips anywhere near us so we'll never see the benefit anyways.

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think there's any reason to be concerned about anything like this. The brain is so incredibly complex, not to mention that we don't even have any concrete notion of what a "thought" even is physically, let alone what memories are, etc.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I just worry that sometimes leftists resort to a sort of contrarianism when it comes to anything AI/tech. It’s definitely one of the trickiest domains to navigate imo, especially when you have authoritative sources pretending like a human-computer brain interface (whose performance is indistinguishable from a computer) is a foregone conclusion

I break down when I see/hear people repeating the same shit as a truth despite any evidence, because I always learned that was an example of a delusion. Seems like we’re dealing with a shade of that on a societal level

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Keep in mind that "professors at Stanford" still have to get grant money, and they can't get it by saying "we have no fucking clue how any of this works." They need to say "we're on the verge of a breakthrough, so give us money!" Like they've been saying for the past 50+ years. And the pop science reporting certainly doesn't help matters, because it is often written by either techbros with dollar signs in their eyes or overworked science journalists who need to write a dozen articles by the end of the week and don't have time to actually make sure they're reporting things factually and in a way that isn't going to give the wrong impression to laypeople.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

Good point tbh, super hard to separate the what from the chaff in academia, especially when you learn it’s like everything else in existence (multiple sides with one of those being ideologically libertarian)

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

look, all I'm saying is that if they can implant Mandarin in my brain, I say go for it, it's a really difficult language to learn

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago

I'd settle for a Mao Zedong Thought implant

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They'll put on the implant, but instead of speaking mandarin you'll start speaking Maoist Standard English

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago

kkklose enough, it'll terrify all the kkkrakkkas just as much

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This was one of the final plots of the show "Dollhouse." People with cybernetic implants could store memories on external drives and swap them out as needed or make copies. So if you wanted to learn Mandarin, you could load up a native speaker's memories and copy them over to your brain, then replace it with something else if you wanted to free up space in your head.

And of course, there's The Matrix.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

... and Johnny Mnemonic

[–] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope they can do this without torturing monkeys

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Human testing is inherently without monkeys

[–] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh what, you expect me to actually read with some of level of comprehension before commenting? Bullshit!

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

Probably does mean that the monkeys have already been tortured

[–] HelluvaBottomCarter@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Imagine if humans could download their thoughts and memories to an external device for others. What a wild and mysterious future that would be.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

I think they did a red dwarf episode about that, showing Rimmer's eulogy and how he'd envisioned himself and the crew

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

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[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

China lapping Elon

[–] D61@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

Getting a brain chip with an AI to auto correct my disintegrating sight or a something to fix the broken audio processing would be kinda neat.

[–] CeliacMcCarthy@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

it's good now

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So it looks like that they are currently able to use the tech to give a high fidelity mouse controll with some keyboard shortcuts. That is super cool, howver I have seen people do things like that with non-implanted bci units. It is not obvious to me that the extra fidelity is worth the risk as yet. There is a twitch streamer that beat some eldin ring using mind controll.