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Politics have consequences. When elected politicians vote to arms ongoing genocide, people die. When elected politicians vote to deny people healthcare, people die. Politics and its consequences is inherently violent. dennis. If you want nonviolence take up rattan basket weaving

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[–] D61@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Remind them that not having free healthcare is an act of violence.

Remind them that not having a home to live in is an act of violence.

Remind them that sacrificing one minority group to appease a political opponent is an act of violence.

Remind them that being able to be fired from a job for any reason or no reason is an act of violence.

Remind them that having a paycheck that can't pay rent, groceries, utilities and medicine is an act of violence.

[–] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All of this is true, but I can already hear the lib reaction. 3/4ths of it will be hand waived away as "not violence" because the direct action doesn't cause any direct physical harm in their eyes. The remaining 1/4 they might sheepishly admit is violence but "it's just how things are"

[–] D61@hexbear.net 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The libs have their permanent professional counter-revolutionaries to nudge things in a direction more favorable to their goals.

curry-space

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 day ago

Eviction is violence.

Arresting or shooting trespassers is violence.

Stealing people's food and water is violence.

Destroying people's food and water is violence.

All of these things are directly attached to thinks liberals would never change.

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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Liberals are much worse than actual pacifists because they make tons of exceptions whenever it's systemic violence conducted by a bourgeois state, which is literally the worst time to make exceptions.

I think part of the 10% of Americans who never approved of Bush included some of those old hippie cranks who I respect infinitely more than the people who style themselves as "nonviolent," while opposing every war except the current one. Possibly a hot take but simply being like, "violence is bad" consistently, with zero broader understanding of politics and no consideration of material conditions, even when the news says otherwise and even when the state or the "good guys" are doing it, is enough to make you more correct about geopolitics than the vast majority of Americans.

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My problem with pacifism is even if you're unwilling to commit violence upon others, they are still willing to commit violence upon you. Some people's hearts cannot be changed and we give those people the wall

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

I used to be more sympathetic to the concept until I studied more of the history of countries outside the imperial core, which disavowed me of any notions of "the good guys always win," or that violence towards nonviolent movements always results in public support.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

By the same token, I have infinitely more respect for people who oppose both Russia and Israel than those who oppose Russia while making excuses for Israel.

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if violence has no place in our political system, then we should completely demiltarize, right? and cops should be disarmed. that's some big savings right there we can put into healthcare, housing and food access right?

oh, you just mean workers shouldn't be allowed to do defend themselves from the structural violence of capitalists and their attack dogs, which should continue to enjoy the lion's share of budget line items with bipartisan support. got it.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago

"that's not violence, that's different"

[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago

Violence is the system.

[–] BadTakesHaver@hexbear.net 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

my brother in christ, violence IS our political system

[–] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

no siree no violence here in our violence system made out of violence, racism, and racist violence

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's crazy, it's like political power grows out of the barrel of a gun or something. Wouldn't it be nice if it grew out of the barrel of a brunch instead though?

[–] Sulvy@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago
[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lol we vaporized tens of thousands of Japanese civilians and imbued the bones of the survivors and survivors' children with cancer and use the bases we built on those islands to menace Korea and China

[–] OrionsMask@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is why anything that comes out of the mouth of an American about non-violence is bullshit. They make jokes about one of the most barbaric acts ever committed to this day, they never found any remorse. That moment contributed heavily to allow American crackers and their empire to become what they are today. If the US could have been nuked in retaliation in 1945, we might have seen a more humbled and cautious US emerge, instead of the obnoxious child bully they became.

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[–] DogThatWentGorp@hexbear.net 44 points 1 day ago

"The Fourth of July commemorates the start of which war, again?"

Favorite thing to say to myself in the shower when I have this imaginary argument. It's gonna be super cool when I fumble it in practice.

[–] tombruzzo@hexbear.net 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Libs don't realise violence is built into the system and happens everyday. They don't realise violence is often the only way to undo these unjust systems. And they think you can over turn things operating within a system where the oppressors have a monopoly on violence and decide who gets to use it

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 40 points 1 day ago

"Violence has no place in our political system!" I say to a homeless man being thrown out of his wheelchair by police.

[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

oh but dearie, you don't understand! i don't have to see all those filthy poors dying, but if violence happens near me i might just feel a negative emotion! hope that helps :)

[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

All politics are violence. Even something as stupid as jaywalking laws are enforced with violence.

when they said, what they really mean "disarm yourself and let yourself be crushed under bourgeois rule"

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 37 points 1 day ago

This 100%

The whole nonviolence shit is being pushed to make the protests ineffective

[–] Sulvy@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago

My brother in Christ, violence is committed by the state against millions of Americans every day, wake the fuck up

[–] Omegamint@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago

Libs believe in the magical liberal state which actually does not utilize it's monopoly of violence. If libs were principled they would actually be anarchists, but instead I have no respect for them.

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