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Politics have consequences. When elected politicians vote to arms ongoing genocide, people die. When elected politicians vote to deny people healthcare, people die. Politics and its consequences is inherently violent. dennis. If you want nonviolence take up rattan basket weaving

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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 61 points 4 days ago (1 children)

if violence has no place in our political system, then we should completely demiltarize, right? and cops should be disarmed. that's some big savings right there we can put into healthcare, housing and food access right?

oh, you just mean workers shouldn't be allowed to do defend themselves from the structural violence of capitalists and their attack dogs, which should continue to enjoy the lion's share of budget line items with bipartisan support. got it.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 33 points 4 days ago

"that's not violence, that's different"

[–] D61@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Remind them that not having free healthcare is an act of violence.

Remind them that not having a home to live in is an act of violence.

Remind them that sacrificing one minority group to appease a political opponent is an act of violence.

Remind them that being able to be fired from a job for any reason or no reason is an act of violence.

Remind them that having a paycheck that can't pay rent, groceries, utilities and medicine is an act of violence.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 days ago

Eviction is violence.

Arresting or shooting trespassers is violence.

Stealing people's food and water is violence.

Destroying people's food and water is violence.

All of these things are directly attached to thinks liberals would never change.

[–] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

All of this is true, but I can already hear the lib reaction. 3/4ths of it will be hand waived away as "not violence" because the direct action doesn't cause any direct physical harm in their eyes. The remaining 1/4 they might sheepishly admit is violence but "it's just how things are"

[–] D61@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The libs have their permanent professional counter-revolutionaries to nudge things in a direction more favorable to their goals.

curry-space

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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 41 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Liberals are much worse than actual pacifists because they make tons of exceptions whenever it's systemic violence conducted by a bourgeois state, which is literally the worst time to make exceptions.

I think part of the 10% of Americans who never approved of Bush included some of those old hippie cranks who I respect infinitely more than the people who style themselves as "nonviolent," while opposing every war except the current one. Possibly a hot take but simply being like, "violence is bad" consistently, with zero broader understanding of politics and no consideration of material conditions, even when the news says otherwise and even when the state or the "good guys" are doing it, is enough to make you more correct about geopolitics than the vast majority of Americans.

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My problem with pacifism is even if you're unwilling to commit violence upon others, they are still willing to commit violence upon you. Some people's hearts cannot be changed and we give those people the wall

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

I used to be more sympathetic to the concept until I studied more of the history of countries outside the imperial core, which disavowed me of any notions of "the good guys always win," or that violence towards nonviolent movements always results in public support.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago

By the same token, I have infinitely more respect for people who oppose both Russia and Israel than those who oppose Russia while making excuses for Israel.

[–] BadTakesHaver@hexbear.net 46 points 4 days ago (1 children)

my brother in christ, violence IS our political system

[–] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

no siree no violence here in our violence system made out of violence, racism, and racist violence

[–] DogThatWentGorp@hexbear.net 44 points 4 days ago

"The Fourth of July commemorates the start of which war, again?"

Favorite thing to say to myself in the shower when I have this imaginary argument. It's gonna be super cool when I fumble it in practice.

[–] tombruzzo@hexbear.net 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Libs don't realise violence is built into the system and happens everyday. They don't realise violence is often the only way to undo these unjust systems. And they think you can over turn things operating within a system where the oppressors have a monopoly on violence and decide who gets to use it

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 40 points 4 days ago

"Violence has no place in our political system!" I say to a homeless man being thrown out of his wheelchair by police.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Lol we vaporized tens of thousands of Japanese civilians and imbued the bones of the survivors and survivors' children with cancer and use the bases we built on those islands to menace Korea and China

[–] OrionsMask@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

This is why anything that comes out of the mouth of an American about non-violence is bullshit. They make jokes about one of the most barbaric acts ever committed to this day, they never found any remorse. That moment contributed heavily to allow American crackers and their empire to become what they are today. If the US could have been nuked in retaliation in 1945, we might have seen a more humbled and cautious US emerge, instead of the obnoxious child bully they became.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

What's weird is I can excuse more the people that actually dropped the bomb more than I can tolerate people who make up post-facto excuses for dropping the bomb. If it was 1945 and facing the slog of assaulting Japan and not knowing all the facts of a new thing I kinda get it. Even the people who set out to do evil like use it as a demonstration to threaten the world with. Because their whole idea was "if this works." If. They didn't truly know.

Meanwhile in 2025 the people with access to all the facts who say it was a good thing are just hideous. They gross me out so much more.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 37 points 4 days ago

This 100%

The whole nonviolence shit is being pushed to make the protests ineffective

[–] Sulvy@hexbear.net 34 points 4 days ago

My brother in Christ, violence is committed by the state against millions of Americans every day, wake the fuck up

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's crazy, it's like political power grows out of the barrel of a gun or something. Wouldn't it be nice if it grew out of the barrel of a brunch instead though?

[–] Sulvy@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

when they said, what they really mean "disarm yourself and let yourself be crushed under bourgeois rule"

[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

Violence is the system.

[–] Omegamint@hexbear.net 30 points 4 days ago

Libs believe in the magical liberal state which actually does not utilize it's monopoly of violence. If libs were principled they would actually be anarchists, but instead I have no respect for them.

[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago

All politics are violence. Even something as stupid as jaywalking laws are enforced with violence.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

i've seen some hilarious shit how military is non-political

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[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago

oh but dearie, you don't understand! i don't have to see all those filthy poors dying, but if violence happens near me i might just feel a negative emotion! hope that helps :)

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