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[–] cogman@lemmy.world 160 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Dems don't need to go low. They need to stop chasing conservative voters.

The reason they are so timid on everything is because the consultant class has convinced them that if they are just a bit more right wing, they'll win the next election.

If Dems fired the consultants and chased the working class, they'd win big time. People hate the Dems because they are corporate captured.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 77 points 1 week ago

Dems don’t need to go low.

Yeah, they just need to stop taking the high road. The regular road where people are called out held accountable for being terrible is fine, no need to go low.

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good ol America where your options are corporate captured, or corporate captured but with slurs and hate speech.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

We get to choose between Coke and Pepsi, when what we really need is a nice clean glass of water.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They wouldn’t if we voted for progressives in the primaries. The 15% that shows up for congressional primaries are almost exclusively retirees. They always pick the most conservative Democrat. We should be voting twice every two years, not once every four, for national elections alone.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I agree. Everyone should be involved and informed on how to maximize the power of their vote wherever they live. Ideally, you get plugged in with someone like the DSA and vote their endorsements.

Sadly too many people fall for spoiler candidates which is part of the reason it's so hard to unseat an incumbent.

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[–] Imacat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

It’s either that or many dems are ok with sitting back and acting helpless while they take their lobbying bribes and invest in the markets they regulate. Why change a system that personally benefits them so much?

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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why would they grow a spine? The people funding them are the same as those funding the people who are fine with this happening.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From 2003 to 2010 the DNC managed to heavily restrict campaign finance large sum donations, until the 5 conservative SCOTUS judges overturned it in Citizens United.

A DNC core platform stance is to undo Citizens United, but it takes 60 senators to update the constitution and there have not been more than 50 in over a decade.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Please they might have that on paper, but I promise you if they had a 60 seat majority, they would find two Democrats to vote with the Republicans to defeat it. Hell you have Republicans in the DNC. That's right many members with D by their names are secretly Republicans. They are plants. Funny thing is the DNC knows it but doesn't expell them or call it out.

So no they don't want to stop taking the money. They just got rid of Hogg and the guy leading the DNC claimed it was because he was hurting his fundraising.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 24 points 1 week ago

"Listen, we're doing fine. We have two clear paths to victory and they involve completely ignoring progressives. I mean yeah, sure, we could win big time with them but that's not happening, we're not letting that happen, stop asking for ice cream we're going to eat rocks and you're going to like it. Our two paths to victory are 1: becoming more conservative to get conservative voters or 2: a giant meteor breaks up in the atmosphere and large chunks hit major Republican strongholds. Those are the two realistic paths we're following. WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE PROGRESSIVES, STOP ASKING!"

[–] bieren@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Especially with this guy getting a couple of 2nd degree charges. And Luigi being labeled a terrorist. Shits fucked yo.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago

Wait what, seriously? Killing a CEO is terrorism, but two politicians is just "normal" murder? That's absolutely fucked.

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (12 children)

“We need the conservatives to keep the conservatives in check!”

This country needs political literacy and situational understanding, there aren’t two parties.

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The democrats don’t mind offending people. Like minorities like Trans or Disabled people. They only walk on eggshells around conservatives for some reason.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The Democrats are many many years overdue for a spine. But I still (perhaps naievely) want to believe that it's possible to win without going low.

Maybe I'm just crazy and need my tinfoil hat adjusted, but a race to the bottom still fucks us all over.

Holding people accountable for their actions isn't "going low". Holding people accountable for the knock on effects of their actions isn't "going low". Holding people accountable for their own previous statements isn't "going low". Callong out blatant lies and misdirection isn't "going low". Actually enforcing laws equally against people privileged financially and/or politically isn't "going low". Calling out blatant corruption isn't "going low".

We don't need the Democrats to start pushing candidates that are only following their own interests while wheeling out whatever their base wants to hear. We don't need Democrats cutting backroom deals with businesses that screw over their constituents. We don't need more toxic waste and diarrehia, just with blue food coloring.

I refuse to believe people actually want "Trump but saying leftist shit to appease people".

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Democrats are the lesser of the two evils. They are more subtle about not really helping the lower-class and fixing the insane amount of poverty in the USA.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People assume the Democratic party don't know what they are doing. They know precisely what they are doing by feigning they don't know what they are doing.

The oligarchs really have both parties, and the country in its entirety as a result, by the balls. That is why it is crucial to realise to also protest against oligarchy alongside "No Kings" protest. Trump is only the front and fall guy, it is the oligarchs who are truly in power.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The oligarchs really have both parties,

I made this meme a while ago:

I am increasingly worried that the Democrat/Republican divide, or the US democracy in general, is mostly a "divide and conquer" scheme. It makes people believe they can choose their country's path, but actually, both parties agree on essential questions of economics, such as that there are practically no taxes on the rich, that there's weak social safety nets, and such.

The differences between the parties are only in the culture, or as i say, in the sexuality, which should be a private issue overall, and it makes for an excellent distraction from economic issues.

The only thing that politics actually should care about is the socio-economic situation, i.e. how much resources do people have to live.

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[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As much as i am applied by the behavior and ideas of the Republican GOP.. I am disappointed by the lack of any real effort to stop them from the Democrats

they seem to be afraid of offending them

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

Because they're nothing more than controlled opposition.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It’s worse than that. They’re all insider trading stocks on all sorts of industries that they directly regulate and have every incentive to weaken, corrode, rip-off, and kill you including weapons manufacturers and defense contractors. Both parties are literally financing and directly benefiting from our rapid decline in the best case and complete obliteration in the worst.

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

it's too late for any of this. fascists will continue to do whatever tf they want and face zero consequences, while everyone else continues to peacefully protest and accomplish nothing.

if anything actually changes in the next year, i'll be the first to come back and say i was wrong.

but we've been on this path for going on 10 years. nothing's going to change

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[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah no if the Democrats start peddling the same kind of bullshit that the Republicans do, I'm not voting for them either. That also goes for candidates who are just miserable fucking assholes. I don't want them to win over Republican voters, I want them to inspire the people who are sick of the lack of any real progressive views.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 12 points 1 week ago

Shame used to work; it doesn't anymore. (Soap box.)

Voting used to work; it doesn't anymore. (Ballot box.)

The courts used to work; they don't anymore. (Jury box.)

You know what's next.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Low isn't required, but not being a giant pussy is, and, by extension, knowing the difference.

[–] andwhy@50501.chat 9 points 1 week ago

Don’t have to go low to tell the fucking truth and call it as it is. They just need to stop pandering and open their fucking mouths.

[–] opus86@lemmy.today 8 points 1 week ago

One party acts like it cares about people and the other party doesn't care about even trying, but they both work for the same people.

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The democrats are not on our side they are just the lite beer version of the other guys

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We just had one of the largest protests (if not the largest) in the history of US protests. The people are making themselves known and the media covered it this time. Let's celebrate that.

Why We're Organizing No Kings Protests on Saturday--A king is only a king if we bow down

For the would-be dictator, success depends on projecting power and creating an aura of inevitability. They need you to believe that Trump is the new normal, that the MAGA movement will be in power for the long haul, that the only rational move is to go along, keep your head down, and protect your own interests.

In short, it requires a countless number of people in a countless number of places to do something that the Trump regime doesn’t want them to do, or to NOT do something the Trump regime wants them to do. That’s how we shake off the aura of inevitability and halt the autocratic breakthrough.

For that to happen, people need to feel like we’re part of something bigger. We need to understand that we’re part of a movement. We need to feel like we will win.

https://www.howwefightback.com/p/why-were-organizing-no-kings-protests

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[–] archonet@lemy.lol 8 points 1 week ago

So... We need to start calling Trump supporters slurs?

Jokes on you, I've been calling them retarded for years.

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