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Trump says Israel and Iran have agreed to ceasefire; Iran says there is no ceasefire agreement (hexbear.net)
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/6/23/live-iran-vows-to-respond-to-us-attacks-trump-hints-at-regime-change?update=3795960

UPDATE It has been 2 hours. There is still mixed reporting. According to Reuters, Qatar said Iran had agreed to the ceasefire. The ceasefire has not been confirmed or denied by Iran or Israel. Iran and Israel are still both attacking. Trump's post said that the ceasefire must begin within 6 hours, that would be midnight eastern time.

~~In my own personal judgement, I can not definitively say whether the ceasefire is real or fake.~~

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-announces-israel-iran-ceasefire-2025-06-23/

UPDATE 2 It has been 3 hours since Trump's posts.

Fars News reports that "The ceasefire proposal put forward by U.S. President Donald Trump is completely false and was floated to distract public attention from the recent humiliation suffered by the United States following attacks on its bases in the region." Fars News Agency is managed by the IRGC, therefore I consider it to be reliable on reporting decisions of the Iranian government.

https://xcancel.com/DropSiteNews/status/1937308597467132090#m

Iran Foreign Minister Seyed Abbas Araghchi says that there is no ceasefire agreement. "As of now, there is NO 'agreement' on any ceasefire or cessation of military operations. However, provided that the Israeli regime stops its illegal aggression against the Iranian people no later than 4 am Tehran time, we have no intention to continue our response afterwards."

https://xcancel.com/DropSiteNews/status/1937313778451763487#m

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[–] dead@hexbear.net 63 points 4 days ago

DISCLAIMER: This post is about what Trump says. It is not confirmed that Iran has accepted the ceasefire. I will update the post when there is official Iranian response.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 51 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm sure pissrael is going to honor that.

[–] dead@hexbear.net 46 points 4 days ago

When the Zionist Entity attacks Iran again, the US will blame Iran.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Now Trumps supporters will hail him the peacemaker after he started a war, and just decided to stop doing the war cuz his vassal was getting shit on.

Also im not gonna believe there actually is a ceasefire until i hear it from Iran itself.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I think Iran will go for it. It will save the most lives.

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Looking that way, the symbolic attack on Qatari US military base today, shows that neither Iran nor USA wants a direct confrontation at this time. Israel will take it because their Air Defence is almost useless. With this timeout, Israel will rebuild, free of charge from Uncle Sam. Iran needs to clean house, way too many moles and spies. They also have to deal with the liberal reformists that wants to normalize relation with the West. It's obvious the US-West only wants regime change in Iran. They can go the DPRK way and build the Nuke, allowing no UN inspectors to enter Iran, again they will have to deal with the numerous spies. This will isolate Iran, because neither Russia or China wants Iran to have nukes. If Iran is skillfuls with their diplomacy, this isolation should be temporary, because Iran still plays an important geo strategic role for Russia and China.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How come you think neither Russia nor China want Iran to have nukes?

Does anyone then?

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t want them to have nukes if I were Russia/China because they seem to flip-flop and try to still flirt with the west. I wouldn’t feel confident that Liberal reformists just sell out to the west and suddenly the nukes are on the other side

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, I hope they get their shit together and wake up after all this.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago

Not betting on it

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Saves lives in the short term, dooms millions long term

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nuclear deterrence will save lives. A direct confrontation with US and West right now, will be deadly. I don't underestimate the murderous destructive force of these Western maniacs.

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It appears that Iran did, why bomb Tel Aviv if you don’t have the will for direct confrontation

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

IF Iran accepts a ceasefire it must be, and probably would be, with the knowledge that it's only temporary and that the war will inevitably resume.

We must remember Israel started this with surprise attacks on Iranian infrastructure, while Israeli infrastructure just couldn't withstand the sustained might of Iran, a ceasefire simply as a means to re-arm helps Iran far more than it helps Israel.

[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

The long-term damages will be more relevant for Israel as a sizable portion of their population is now going to wonder if they have enough of a spine to squat on other's land when the other side starts shooting back in earnest. The average Israeli wasn't alive for the last time Israel was in a peer war and has never dealt with a real military raining ordinance down on their heads, and a tremendous number of them have multiple passports and can leave whenever. Iran doesn't have that problem.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't think putting the weight of millions on the people of Iran putting themselves in harm's way is the based take you think it is.

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It’s not a take, it’s just reality. They were the only organization that appeared to possess the will to stop Israel’s conquest and, if the ceasefire is real, they do not. It’s a shame, especially given their rhetoric over the last few weeks. Everyone from russia to China to everyday first world citizens have a certain level of blood on their hands, but they never said anything about protecting Palestine. Iran took up that mantle

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Iran is not willing to sacrifice its people and it should not be expected to. We can thank them for what they have done but we cannot chide them for protecting their people.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Iran is not willing to sacrifice its people and it should not be expected to

ok then palestine will be destroyed and the thousand year israeli riech will rule

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Again, this is not based. This is asking other people to be willing to do something you are not doing.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

I’m asking them to do what they repeatedly promised to do, exclaimed that they would do, set up an entire system to do… but then refused to pull the trigger

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Dooms the middle east to Israeli hegemony and mass genocide.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Iran is not a messiah

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They are the only regional power opposing the genocide, and in fact one of the only nations on earth that was doing anything material against Israel at all. If they are bowing out of the fight, then there is only Yemen.

Who the fuck talks like this “messiah”? No shit. They are a nation state and regional power. I don’t care for this moralizing argument of “you go do something then”. I’m not a goddamned nation state. This “argument” doesn’t do anything to deal with the critiques of a nation state, it just deflects it in a dishonest and bad faith manner

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Iran should have taken their chances while Israel was low on interceptors. Are they really just going to let them rearm?

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Amerikkka will not allow Israel to fall. We all want Israel flattened, but Iran simply can't fight the US alone, and Russia and China doesn't seem to want to commit to Iran's aid. Yes Ansar Allah gave the US a black eye, but Iran vs US will be an existential war.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 33 points 4 days ago

I have news

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They never even formally requested assistance from China or Russia. Maybe they should have tried putting in formal requests for assistance from allies before surrendering? They STILL won’t commit to forming a military alliance with China and Russia because they STILL are holding out hope for westerns sanction relief. They are cooked.

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It's reported that Israel does have air superiority over certain regions of Iran (Israel claims much more /all of Iran but that's highly doubtful)

Israel opened the fighting with successfull attacks on Iranian infrastructure and commanders.

Meanwhile Israel's problem is just an inability to deal with the constant barrages from Iran, there was no surprise attack on their capabilities.

So while a ceasefire does benefit Israel in being able to re-up their Air Defenses, it also has much greater potential to help Iran, as they would now be able to access and/or move infrastructure they can't currently access and also they can better organize/embedd their new command structures.

I'm aware of reports they haven't received a ceasefire and/or don't intend to accept one. This is just explanation for why they would potentially accept a ceasefire.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

So while a ceasefire does benefit Israel in being able to re-up their Air Defenses, it also has much greater potential to help Iran, as they would now be able to access and/or move infrastructure they can't currently access and also they can better organize/embedd their new command structures.

Wrong because the ceasefire means jack shit and Israel will sucker punch again at their discretion. All this does is cut another slice of salami

[–] footfaults@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So Iran has to stop first, and then Israel 12 hours later? Yeah okay. Sure.

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

Israel gets to sucker punch and get the finishing blow, it's only right as Uncle Sam's precious baby nephew.

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago

Better go prep the fell-for-it-again-award printer again doggirl-gloom

[–] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

As others have said not going to buy this until Israel fulfills their side of it.

The only way I can see that is 1. They were really feeling the pressure from their citizens given the constant strikes from Iran and their economy was at risk of collapse and/or 2. They believe the bombing critically set back Irans ability to acquire nuclear weapons.

I’m a bit surprised Iran went for it given they can’t really trust Israel/US and that it seemed the US wouldn’t get involved more if they just kept the pace of rocket attacks steady without escalating to blocking the strait or something similar.

Either the attacks had a major impact or they would rather take the deal to get the US out of the picture while they push to actually make a nuclear weapon now given that’s the only defense guarantee they can count on.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You're missing scenario 3: Iran managed to deplete Israeli AD and destroy a significant number of critical military buildings and Israel doesn't want it to continue and the US isn't willing to start a war to save them.

[–] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

My thought is why not continue to push Israel then if that’s the case?

~~But I guess it’s not relevant since it looks like the ceasefire was a fabrication from trump which isn’t surprising given it didn’t make sense at this point.~~

~~I expect Iran to continue to launch the 20-30 rockets a day that Israel will be forced to expend its limited and expensive interceptors. The war of attrition favors them and hopefully means the US won’t get involved anymore.~~

~~From there it’ll come down to if the US will look to restock them and what Irans response will be if they do.~~

Ceasefire confirmed, I’d expect Iran pushes for nuclear weapons at this point since this isn't the last of aggression they’ll face from Israel.

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago

It's worth noting that a ceasefire can be a strategic weapon in a war of attrition, so long as you know it's temporary and take the time to re-arm.

We have seen brief (basically unilateral decision by Russia) ceasefires between Russia and Ukraine where Russia takes the opportunity to re-arm/examine strategy and Ukraine just takes any respite they can get.

Iran accessing and potentially relocating weapons currently unusable due to the initial Israeli attack and limited regional air superiority (caved in storages where the actual weapons are fine just inaccessible currently for example) is much more valuable than Israel re-upping their air defense for it to just be depleted again.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Looks like Iran has agreed to a ceasefire

Edit: This turned out to be wrong

Edit2: maybe they want a ceasefire on their own terms?

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 4 days ago

—❗️🇮🇷/🇮🇱 BREAKING: Semi-official Iranian state media, Fars News, reports that Trump's announcement about Iran agreeing to a ceasefire is completely false, and that Iran will prove this fact 'on the ground' soon

@Middle_East_Spectator

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

I saw a clip recently where a guy pointed out that construction in Israel stopped about 600 days ago, and that it's difficult for Israel to recover from every building Iran destroys, whereas Iran is so big that it doesn't cause their entire country to come to a halt because of Israel's attacks and can recover fairly well.

I genuinely wish Iran wouldn't stop until they could make demands of Israel (would be hilarious if among their demands was that Iranian investigators be allowed into the country to ensure Israel will not break their ceasefire)

[–] kotak_doost@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

I think Trump just desperately wanted Team Melli to be at the world cup.