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[–] WafflesTasteGood@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago

yeonmi-park In America they make stage 4 cancer patients harvest the crops for access to healthcare.

[–] daniyeg@hexbear.net 61 points 1 day ago (4 children)

i genuinely think these people just don't understand that chatgpt can't pick fruits. is this like hard to understand? how are you going to automate?

also most people on medicaid are already working do you want people to work a second or a thir... yeah actually they probably want that. they probably want to bring back 12 hour shifts too.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 day ago

Tomato harvesting in Xinjiang is almost 100% automated… but that requires large amounts of investment and a plan that extends beyond next quarter, so not gonna happen.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 50 points 1 day ago

A normal part of American politics is always forgetting that someone has to actually do the work...and you have to pay them. They think people having jobs is rich people just doing us a favor.

[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 26 points 1 day ago

You misunderstand. They want to automate the office jobs and indoor jobs. The crops will be picked by hand.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

12 hour shifts aren’t a thing for you? They’re kind of the norm in Guatemala lol

[–] DornerStan@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Might depend on industry but 12 hour shifts are pretty common in the US too.

When I worked ag normal days were 16-18 hours during harvest

Even with my indoor job 12 hour shifts are the norm

[–] daniyeg@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

pretty much depends on the industry but here an average office job is usually 8 to 10 hours, 6 days a week. i was talking about the US where they want to repeal the fair labor standards act which sets the standard hours for most job to 8 hours. the employer can force you to work overtime but they have to pay you at least double your usual salary.

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

Health slaves

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Of the 34 million "able bodied" on medicaid (anyone aged 19-64 is included AFAIK), 2/3 of them already have jobs. The remainder generally have a qualification to be on medicaid, such as disability or being a caretaker.

But even if there are a million people that are just playing CoD and stealing our tax money to enjoy basic healthcare, how are we supposed to get them to the fields? Is the government providing a job seeking program, helping with transport, training, and housing for those who want these jobs? Or are they just supposed to teleport to Ventura County and automatically know everything about how to work on a farm? Not to mention that if your body isn't used to this grueling work, you will be to pained after your first day to possibly show up for your second.

[–] DornerStan@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's wild too because everyone I talk to is having a hard time finding work, even those actively seeking

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago
[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago

Look smartass, she knows what's she's talking about. Migrants are stupid and lazy and drunk all the time and do the job so any Call Of Duty manchild can do it even better, educate yourself!

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You know what I've noticed. As things in the US have started to accelerate you see a lot less people arguing for accelerationism.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

arguing for left accelerationism.

The Thielites have if anything been emboldened. Curtis yarvin and Nick land should not be getting the attention they currently are receiving.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm glad that i have no idea what any of those words mean.

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I unfortunately know some, because I studied Mark Fisher a bit too much in my younger years in search of some revolutionary kernel. But even knowing the words I'm unsure how Thiel relates to the other 2. This must be some new canon among the cybernetic god-complex-masked-as-schizophrenia crowd (I'm trying to find some way to avoid haphazardly referring to Schizophrenia for this, but it's hard to do because Land and that crowd was so focused on this 'philosophical schizophrenia' from Deleuze and shit. Any advice? What other term can be used to keep these separate?)

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago

I rarely ever saw it seriously argued for outside of right-wing circles or r/politicalcompassmemes. That said, the argument was never for accelerationism, it was recognition that neither the Democrats or the Republicans can actually do anything to decelerate the decline, they can only accelerate into slightly different walls.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 37 points 1 day ago

It's a classic case of fuck around and find out.

[–] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

100% American participation and automation are definitionally opposed. But they know that.

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Every crop that can be harvested with automation already is and the ones that can't be are going to have farms screaming because you can't just throw a bunch of untrained people at them and expect it to be done with any kind of efficiency. It's just another excuse to deny people benefits and hope they die quietly in a gutter.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago

Not only that, but Americans by and large haven't done farm work for decades, and the ones who did only did it as a child or are already working in those fields. You aren't going to magic up some poors from the cities to harvest oranges.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm reading ch 10 of Capital and it has extensive references to reports written by English factory inspectors. It's not encouraging to see what kind of deprivation the capitalists know you can survive for long enough to provide them a profit.

Also, she's talking about 34 million people. That's 10 percent of the population she wants to displace out of spite and to distract the working class from the rich people pillaging their communities. Are these 34 million all adults even? Is this a number with any basis in reality? How many people are on medicaid anyways? It's a bad look for capitalism that this many people rely on this last resort option to access healthcare.

[–] Nacarbac@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, the part where one of the key reasons behind the barest reforms was that their own militaries were becoming sickly, stunted, and weak... with drone weapons you have an excuse (albeit deeply flawed) to not even care about that!

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

Damn. I didn't think of that.

[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

Chapter 10 is one of my favorites.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah we’ll just move 34 million people from all over the country to the central valley, easy peasy.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 38 points 1 day ago

That's what the tesla tunnels are for sweetie.

[–] mendiCAN@hexbear.net 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)

34 million able-bodied* on Medicaid

ok so the guys planning this know that forcing Medicaid workers into these jobs will kill Medicaid benefits, obviously.

but what about the crops? obviously they won't be picked... so, they don't care they don't get picked? is this a back-door way to go after farm subsidies too?

[–] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a way to be cruel. What more do they need?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 day ago
[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

ok so the guys planning this know that forcing Medicaid workers into these jobs will kill Medicaid benefits, obviously.

It's a bold strat for sure, taking people who are already disabled and making them even more disabled by doing back breaking work.

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

Well doubtless they hope the work makes some of them strong slaves because they were just faking it to be lazy because that's a real thing that definitely happens. And those it breaks and leaves disabled beyond the point of doing anything like this they leave to die in the gutter, having extracted some value from them for capital in the process and disposed of them successfully. But while they're dying they'll be desperately fighting existing workers for jobs thus allowing worsening conditions, crackdowns on unions, pay kept lower, etc.

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

Step one: cripple the already disabled Step two: action t5

[–] an_engel_on_earth@hexbear.net 27 points 1 day ago

the boomerang is boomerangin

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In their minds, no one that's MAGA is lazy or has ever been on ANY kind of government assistance, so it's all loony leftists that will be forced out into the fields owl-wink

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago

that neatly explains why they frequently favor policies that fuck themselves over