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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago

just vassals lol

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 36 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

Can EU please make an open source phone?

We have linux for computers, but we need a "linux" for phones (yes I know Android uses Linux Kernel, I'm talking about like a Libre Non-Google OS)

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I have another question: why do some eras seem to be so free for technology to evolve and open to new entrants to create their designs and mods and why do other eras feel like traps set by investors and enclosures for consumers? The 80s/90s felt great for technology, but today it feels like they all want to take anyone's capacity to do anything beyond being a dumb paying consumer away...like they're covering all possible outcomes to come out enslaving everyone. Why didn't they do that in the 80s/90s? Am I looking at the past with rose-tinted glasses?

[–] TheGreyGhost@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Does Graphene OS fit that description?

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 4 points 4 hours ago

It only works on Google Pixel phones.

There are other operating systems, and some more open (but more expensive) manufacturers like Fairphone and PinePhone.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 4 points 12 hours ago

I'm holding my breath for the pinephone to be ready for primetime. I check in on it every so often to see what the current buzz is.

[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

U have several fork of android some are great. The issue is I need google service for a lot of proprietary app like uber, banking app etc. Linux phone exist but without an appstore it s useless

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

That's kind of the point. The EU could theoretically demand some Linux support from banks. It wouldn't be a popular decision at first, but the consumer protection agency is capable of that, banks are capable of that, and it would help a lot.
I don't think it would happen, it's cheaper for banks to lobby against it than do a bare minimum, lobbying is cheaper than anything, but still, neat idea.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 56 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

So how are American companies any different then Chinese? Everyone always says Chinese companies have to listen to their government. Never got how American companies would be any different.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 hours ago

One is Chinese (bad, stinky) one is American (good, freedom).

Both are authoritarian shitholes that violate the freedoms of its citizens.

[–] MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago

They're not different at all - the CLOUD Act (2018) and FISA courts already gave the US govt near-complete access to American tech companies' data regarldess of where it's physically stored, we just don't talk about it as much as we do with China.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Until this abomination of a law, the US was different. But the GOP is quickly adopting every fascist idea they come across.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 20 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Until this abomination of a law, the US was different.

Press X to doubt.

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 9 points 15 hours ago

It’s like he selectively forgot about the Snowden leaks

[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago

No they werent lmfaooo

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Until this abomination of a law

The "patriot" act would like to have a word with you...

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 4 points 12 hours ago

People keep forgetting that.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 points 13 hours ago

Is this still earth 50? Because Luthor is still president (with an orange tan and a toupé).

[–] Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social 20 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If the EU doesn't combine forces to get out of this tech-dependency, than what do we have the EU for? I am a big fan the EU, it's doing many things for us already, but I'm really hoping we can work our way out of this together, and I hope we choose the FOSS-route so that we significantly help the world forward

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

I think our problem is a mix of corruption and tech illiteracy in the European parliament. People are either too deep in the pockets of silicon valley, or they are lazy fucks who don't understand anything about computers and are unwilling to learn, so they keep believing "Windows is easier".

[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Why are there no major competitors outside the USA? Is there no “Silicon Valley” in the EU?

[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Because the one in the US is working out so well for humanity right?

Fuck Silicon Valleys. Use and support open standards and software.

I mean yes duh but wouldn’t it be great to have European owned data centers running Linux?

[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 15 points 15 hours ago

YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP, LETS GOOOOOOOO!

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 21 points 18 hours ago

I have been saying this for more than a decade. Shit like this is why privacy laws and stuff regarding warrants and other stuff need to be expanded to private entities as much, if not more so, than government agencies. In the past the idea of a company having that much access to people's information was unthinkable, and in almost everyone's mind it was governments we needed to be worried about.

But that hasn't been true since the 90s at least with credit cards being used for most stuff and internet purchases being the norm for almost everything.

Governments in the past needed something to ask for permission to look into you... but companies never did, and since the only thing governments need to do is either buy it or ask nicely it makes many protections kinda moot. The fact that many countries want a strict surveillance state over everyone means even the classic protections we had for a brief while are disappearing, too.

If there ever is a 2nd enlightenment with protections for people it needs to make the stuff written in the 18th and 19th century look like children's toys in comparison.

If you say 'but what about terrorism and bad people?' Look around you. They still exist and still rarely get caught unless they fuck up badly. Most of the time it still due to informants and people talking to authorities. In the US the murder rate resolution is only 50% (and that is just arrested and charged, not convicted) and this is because there is a massive distrust of the police. In other countries people are more likely to assist the police and/or they take their jobs far more seriously in terms of forensics... and on top of that they usually have a far lower murder rate which allows more time and resources to be funneled into solving major crimes.

Better to let 100 guilty men go than 1 innocent person convicted is the usual motto, but they don't believe that in practice. In reality they are very much kill them all and let God sort out his own. And we can't keep allowing that shit to happen.

[–] dawcas@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 13 hours ago

*shocked pikachu*

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Then those EU firms should immediately make getting out of anything and everything Microsoft a top priority. As a US citizen, all our government and companies understand is personal profit and personal data hording. So make it hurt where they will feel it.

[–] LordGarmadon@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

Suprised Pikachu

[–] appropriateghost@lemmy.ml 6 points 17 hours ago

lol any EU bureaucrat who thinks otherwise is either a useful idiot or themselves compromised?

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 20 points 22 hours ago

It's weird that this was something that Microsoft would have to admit, considering "The CLOUD Act" has made this mandatory for all US based companies anywhere they operate in the world. This has been a law since 2018.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 15 hours ago

Well some of those countries are part of 5 eyes, 9 eyes, and 14 eyes

[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

How much you wanna bet they already do and have been doing for years? They already spy on the rest of us, why is this any different?

[–] Patches@ttrpg.network 1 points 16 hours ago

Years

Bruv, the United States government could get any information they wanted if it was stored on US Soil since the dawn of the US. The only thing stopping them was effort.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 19 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I mean. They're a USA company. Of course they would be required to follow the laws of the country in which they HQ. Did anyone think anything different?

[–] trismegistos@infosec.pub 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

This is what data sovereignty is for.

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Anyone wonder where your country's health records about all their citizens are stored? I'm guessing it's all on either MS, AWS, or Google. That means Trump could get access to your medical history.

This is important because of his attacks on LGBTQ people, vaccines, abortion, autism, and who knows what other nonsense he wants to persecute.

And here in Canada the Liberal government is putting forth bill C-2, which opens up even more access to the US to get even records stored in Canada by Canadian companies.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/canadas-bill-c-2-opens-floodgates-us-surveillance

Feel safe yet?

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 23 minutes ago

Actually it’s all in Palantir, so we’re totally safe with this non-villain coded company.

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[–] TomMasz@piefed.social 169 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There's no telling if that hasn't already happened. Europe needs to drop Microsoft ASAP.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 99 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Microsoft said this, but this likely applies to AWS and GCP too.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 22 hours ago

And OCI. Any US based company is subject to the CLOUD act.

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[–] Geodad@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Of course they would. That's why I quit using their software.

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