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[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 72 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Prepare for war with who? Couldn't possibly be Russia or China, that's a day one loss. Is it their old foe, France?

[–] OffSeasonPrincess@hexbear.net 38 points 2 weeks ago

Starmer watched 28 days later

[–] Hermes@hexbear.net 36 points 2 weeks ago

Is it their old foe, France?

I'm getting the UK apology forms ready as we speak

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 33 points 2 weeks ago

They are going to invade Venezuela with the US.

[–] mx_oceanwater_they_them@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Is it their old foe, France?

Turns out this was the real plan behind Brexit /s. The thing about a military is you may turn it against someone else after it is prepared, the reason you gave for militarization does not need to match the final purpose.

I find it somewhat ironic how the economies of Europe are so intertwined to prevent war (the official reason), but their core military organization is handled on a strictly national(ist) level.

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[–] Edamamebean@hexbear.net 70 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Talking to libs about this is so fucking depressing. They all claim to be horrified by the looming prospect of ww3 but are utterly incapable of envisioning any solution other than ratcheting up tensions on the arms race. Last time I talked to my father about this topic he told me he wants Canada to get nukes, I was just speechless. Where do these people envision this brinkmanship ending up?

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 59 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Libs seem to think the only way to prevent world war 3 is to destroy or subjugate the rest of the world. So the only way to prevent the world war is to have it, I guess. Somehow that makes sensei-love-not-thinking

[–] Edamamebean@hexbear.net 41 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah that's about it. When I told him I think we should defund the military he said that there are "people who would slit your throat the second they get the chance if you let them". Just the most chauvinistic old school racist savage barbarians at the gates type nonsense. It was a good reminder why I stopped trying to talk to him about politics.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

people who say shit like that creep me out, it feels like they would murder people if they think they could get away with it. makes me think of the God-humpers who will say "everyone would just [redacted] and murder without God" but reasonable people say "I'm doing as much of that stuff as I want right now: zero"

there's also of course zero thought as to what kind of material conditions would make the putative throat-slitter so desperate or how those conditions came to be. nope, they're just evil brown savages or whatever

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago

They tend to be the people who fantasize about ~~murdering their neighbors~~ "fending for themselves" in the apocalypse

He was confessing. Thats a confession

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

idk some trump acolyte might take that 51st state shit seriously someday.

[–] The_hypnic_jerk@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The cold war promised multiple generations the end of the world. The end never came, the west won, and now in their final years have a yearn for what was promised

[–] Red_October@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah because their ideology was utterly false and just a facade for privatization. The lives of the working class in the west immediately started going down hill at the same time that old soviet union they hated so much did.

Also I guess they genuinely thought communism wouldn’t work? Cause they forgot about several other parts of the world when they “won” that cold war.

[–] RedSturgeon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

They are not horrified. They might be uncomfortable with it, but how can you be horrified if you think the most powerful army in the world is protecting you and keeping you safe and warm?

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 60 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

even as Russia's war in Ukraine rages, impacting the cost of fuel.

motherfucker, it wouldn't have impacted the cost of fuel if you hadn't stuck your fucking nose in and sanctioned your major fuel supplier

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

or if you had spent the last 50 years building nuclear instead

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Germany had nuclear power and we chose to turn it all off...

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 31 points 2 weeks ago

In some countries the CIA has to send undercover assets to sabotage nuclear power projects. In Germany they just sign them up to be Die Grünen / Linke reps.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

fossil fuel industry spent decades pouring a bunch of money into "environmental" opposition to nuclear power and I'm sure they consider it well-spent

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

We were building nuclear with China in the 2000s but then America told us we had to get (even more) old school racist again.

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[–] miz@hexbear.net 51 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

hostile intelligence activity against the UK has jumped by more than 50% over the past year.

if you take even half a second to think about this it sounds stupid. what are they measuring?

[–] tocopherol@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Could just be worried people calling to report scary drones 50% more than previously, the imperialist's metrics really are almost meaningless.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

what are they measuring?

They are measuring things they report themselves. "This year we have reported 50% more incidents, give us 500% more funding".

[–] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The European arms race was a major factor in ww1's breakout. Fucking hell....

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The industrial potential of today's Europe is a pale shadow of what it was in those days.

[–] Snort_Owl@hexbear.net 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Erm sweaty the UK is very good at producing… consultants

[–] T34_69@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Even they sex arses are imported these days

[–] Snort_Owl@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago

Thatcher sex arse snatcher

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't worry, WW1 was mainly kicked off by Russian intervention against the murder of Slavs.

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[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 32 points 2 weeks ago

I remember when people gave me shit for refusing to vote Labour because “we have to get the tories out at all costs”

Now we have an even bigger shitshow in charge doug-clap

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 weeks ago

Really depressing talking to even so called "leftists" about massive militarization by Europe, Japan and Canada they will just attack you and support it by claiming Russia as some massive threat that mandates spending billions on arming their military or as one Canadian did a couple weeks ago absurdly claim Canadian militarization is good because they are preparing for an imminent American invasion north like that's really what Canada is going to do with their death machines.

[–] RedSturgeon@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago

Rapidly developing plans on how to Escape to Bahamas for a nice holiday, while the people of European nations continue to do absolutely nothing about it.

What army? They can't even unite under 1 economy.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Is there some good agitprop showing identical pro-war propaganda on the eve of WW1 in western media, so I can show libs that it's exactly the same?

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If you're willing to do some research I've found libraries' newspaper archives to be a good source for that sort of thing, a couple years ago I did some poking around to see what the Allied coverage of the battle of the somme looked like compared to one of Ukraine's counteroffensives

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[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

"developing plans to prepare"

When i develop plans to prepare for lunch you know that foods going out on time /s

[–] miz@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago

read this as "rapidly devolving" at first

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Snort_Owl@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

Lol good luck with that

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

As someone from germany-cool , I have somewhat mixed feelings about the ongoing militarization in European countries.

As long as Germany doesn't have a real military, it will only ever be a vassal state of the US. The same goes for all EU states. Do I think Germany or the UK for that matter will use their militaries to liberate themselves from US control and end Western hegemony? Absolutely not, they will probably do fascism. But I still think it's a prerequisite to end the imperial core as we know it.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What's important is to examine how they're preparing their military. Are they building their own weapons and hardware, or are they just buying US-made? Sovereignty isn't something that can be bought, they need the industrial capacity to actually build a war.

There's some of that, but a lot of their plans seem to just involve increased purchases.

[–] CitizensTyrant@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

Capitalism baby! You Buy your way out of your problems by paying the ones responsible for the situation even more money! That'll show em

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

As long as Germany doesn't have a real military, it will only ever be a vassal state of the US.

Cool. As a European myself witnessing the death of the western empire, we should be cheering for that. Less militarization means less likelihood of Europe turning to Africa Colonialism 2 Electric Boogaloo while it still has the upper hand. In 5 years all of the EU will be ruled by far right parties, the weaker the state repression apparatus (including military) the better for everyone.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

They are not militarizing to fight the US lol.

Germany really has only two options left: keep being dependent on the US for energy, or invade Russia and steal their resources.

The green energy transition plan is being killed by China’s much superior renewable tech, and if Europe opens up to China, their domestic economy is going to be even deader than dead. This makes them even more reliant on the US consumer market.

So, they are militarizing to conquer Russia to gain independence from the US, since the economic cooperation route has been denied (the US bombing Nord Stream). The exact same shit that happened 90 years ago.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

They are not militarizing to fight the US lol.

Please read my comment before giving an obnoxious response. I am under no illusions about this.

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[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

tf do they mean they're developing plans to prepare? They didn't already have some kind of contingency?

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Oh fuck yeah, the most deluded country on earth thinking they can do anything without its colonies. This reckoning has been coming for 400 years

[–] Vostok_@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Europe has no countries, only collectives of consumers. I find it laughable that after decades of pursuing the atomization and destruction of society (of which the UK's Margaret Thatcher was a pioneer of) any one of these authority figures would even entertain the thought of mobilizing the population to fight on their behalf. If they ever get the war they want it will manifest through drones and nuclear bombs, because those are the only things they can use reliably and will never question their authority.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Atomization and destruction of society actually made the population much more vulnerable to conscription. They can just snatch people off the street and absolutely nobody will be able to do anything against.

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[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

Imagine putting it all on the line, risking your corporeal safety, but you do it for fucking Britain. Grim.

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