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If you live in an apartment, just don't get one

Reasoning edit: pets, especially cats, will leave a smell all over furniture. Cleaning becomes an even worse chore due to the fur. They also require "house training" in order to not chew/claw/destroy most stuff that's lying around the house.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Per rule #6, please defend your UO position with reasoning.

[–] BakedCookie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago

Cats ESPECIALLY belong inside because they decimate the local wildlife.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Kids, especially toddlers, will leave a smell all over furniture. Cleaning becomes an even worse chore due to feeding time messes and crayons on the wall. They also require potty training in order to not shit themselves and then rub it onto everything lying around the house.

Seiously, toddlers belong outside...

[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

My cat does leave a strong smell. It has become my favorite smell.

[–] Binturong@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is an ignorant take in that it doesn't in any way address the emotional benefits of having animals in your living space, or offer any justification for why the costs that are asserted could be worth accepting, or the fact that plenty of animals adapt well to smaller spaces. Don't like cleaning fur? Get short haired animals. Kids need training too, and plenty of human adults have no idea how to properly clean up after themselves. If you don't like animals that's fine, but don't try to perscribe your needs onto others based solely on these grounds, you can just say I don't like pets and that's acceptable.

[–] slothrop@lemmy.ca 73 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Cats are healthier and live longer when kept indoors.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Local wildlife are healthier and live longer when cats are kept indoors, too.

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[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Upvoted for the opinion being unpopular.

Cats don't belong outside. They will kill local wildlife and have contributed to the extinction of dozens of species.

I don't think fish care either way as long as they get the space and care they need. That is, a tiny pond outside isn't any better than a tank of the same volume indoors, all other things being equal.

Rodents definitely belong inside, if having a rodent as a pet is allowed at all in this scenario. I feel like this doesn't require further explanation.

I could see rabbits liking being outside, as long as they're adequately protected from predators. They do well inside, too. I'd call this one 50:50.

If reptiles and amphibians should be kept as pets at all, indoors is way better.

I imagine almost all invertebrate pets would have to be indoors.

Pets that are livestock species go outside, yeah. No argument here.

Some animals shouldn't be pets at all. Some belong inside. Some belong outside. Some go in and out. It's a mixed bag.

[–] slothrop@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Upvoted and upvoted. It's weird that in c/UO, a truly extremely unpopular opinion gets downvoted!
It should be in the top few of all time!

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's tempting, it's really tempting. It's easy not to downvote an unpopular opinion, but when it's a really fucking stupid opinion as well.... Ooooh I really wanna push that button.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Pets that are livestock species go outside, yeah. No argument here.

Well, they should have a cozy barn if they’re pets. If they’re really pets, with HVAC and all.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Agreed. I generally think of "Indoors" as meaning "within the home" in this case.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 days ago

I do too, but I’ve seen where some people keep their horses and would gladly move in!

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[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

Terribly unpopular and stupid opinion. Have an upvote

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wow that is an unpopular opinion

Right? I'm trying to imagine a similar but even less popular one.

Maybe, "People should have to earn a PhD in Veterinary Medicine and have published post doctoral work in the particular species they keep as pets."

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Dumps fish tank outside

Sorry, but pets do not belong inside homes.

[–] marighost@piefed.social 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Upvoted because unpopular but I personally think youre a boring person. Sure, animals smell but thats why you clean them and your house. Id rather clean my house 5 times a week than not have my dogs.

[–] Janx@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'd rather visit someone who's given a loving home to a cat/dog/whatever than someone who lives in a boring, sterile, oderless, pristine home. Children are smelly and messy and destructive too, but people have always managed with them! Clean after your pet regularly, and live life rather than perfection. They're worth it...

[–] Rhoeri@piefed.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Soooooo. You’re gatekeeping other people’s apartments?

Here’s your upvote.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

Pets deserve better than to live in shitty cramped spaces like we are forced to

[–] Bougie_Birdie@piefed.blahaj.zone 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At some point in your life, you also required training to make sure you didn't destroy the furniture or shit on the floor

Cleaning is part of the care. I guess that's just what the deal is though

Some people think animals shouldn't live indoors. It's worth reminding those people that humans are animals

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

We should spend a lot more time outside, too

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

well then the outside should be nicer

Outside would be nicer if we stopped hating the unhoused.

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[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I agree - I think it's mean that people keep dogs, for instance, when they're leaving them unattended for most of the day. Personally I wouldn't get a dog unless I had family, a house and a garden for it. Cats have a bit more leeway but I would still want them to have a nice neighbourhood or gardens to explore.

[–] zeca@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thats the main argument for me. I keep hearing neighbors dogs barking alone all day, it seems so sad to me...

[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And I can't tell if its a historical norm or if we've essentially seen a huge increase in the number of lonely pets. I get the feeling that having a family pet is part of the american 'white picket fence' package, but that was conceived in a time when married women were usually SAHM - in which case dogs at home are constantly kept company.

I've often said to people that pets should be shared with neighbours, so they can stay as active as poasible and not be too much of a time drain on one family (E.G some dogs need to walk twice a day, or run once a day) but people don't generally seem interested in a pet's happiness.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 1 points 2 days ago

Of course a dog should be activated physically and have attention, but it'd also be cruelty to keep it awake and active all day long.

Dogs sleep a lot. They need 12-14 hours every day, and even up to 20 hours for puppies or old dogs.

This fits very well with being left unattended while the kids are at school for instance.

It's better to leave it unattended for one long stretch than several shorter ones daily, because dogs do keep track of time based on routines. Coming in and out several times, or taking the dog along randomly is more stressful for it, because it breaks the routine.

They're very adaptable and teachable, so many things are possible, but it should definitely be taught to chill out by itself, so it's capable of this when you actually need it to be alone for some reason.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Your reasoning simply seems to reflect the need for additional training and effort on the part of the pet owner. That’s not “reasoning” so much as bitching. Pets do perfectly well in human dwellings, so long as care and effort are taken to make it so. It kind of sounds like you shouldn’t own an indoor pet. That’s fine for you. Stop telling other people what to do when they may well be more caring and/or less lazy than you.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Upvoted, because you’re totally incorrect.

Are you advocating for the somewhat extreme position that pets shouldn’t exist?

Your reasoning suggests that basic duties of pet ownership such as basic training and grooming are too onerous. Canids do not soil their den in the wild and so easily are trained not to soil indoors, and cats don’t need training to use a litter box.

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[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I don't think I've ever been to a cat owners house who's furniture smells like cat, I would love to know what a cat even smells like.

Maybe if those owners don't clean their cats litter properly or often enough, that causes a smell, and yeah, lots of shitty cat parents who don't clean after them well enough.

Or maybe this is about un neutered cats that piss on stuff? That's unfortunately somehow also a thing.

Cats also don't require any training to do any of those things? Just pay attention to your cat, ensure you play with it and give it enough toys and attention and it won't do shit to your stuff.

Your statements have me more confused than anything else.

Dogs smell, they have a weird metallic smell to them and they leave that smell on surfaces, maybe you got confused?

Is this unpopular opinion or just objectively wrong opinion?

[–] unsettlinglymoist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

OP clearly doesn't know anything about living with cats. I'd guess they had a past bad cat experience (smell and damage) because of an owner that neglected their cat, and that's the extent of their knowledge.

Also... I'm not saying that dogs don't belong inside, but they're almost always capable of causing way more damage than cats, so it's weird of OP to single out cats for that.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago

I can assure you I can tell when I enter a house that has cats by smell alone, much like a smoker's car has a distinctive smell

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 9 points 3 days ago

That exact same reasoning applies to humans as well, but we still let them into the house. However, though from a very weird direction, you have certainly landed on an unpopular opinion.

[–] essell@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Upvoted because I do disagree, where else they gonna go?

cats outside are a menace, for example. Responsible thing to do is keep them inside.

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[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Don't come over.

[–] CoffeeTails@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Why tho?

I mean many pets shouldn't live in a small apartment. Few pets are ok with it. Some pets are okay with living in bigger apartments but then it's more about giving enough enrichment and outdoor or balcony time it it fits the pet

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How dare you. My cat is an angel and I'm lucky to get to clean her fur.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Paws typed this comment

If by that you meant "I don't like the effect pets have on my living spaces", sure, of course, and you don't have to get one/let them inside if the weather's okay!

[–] MantisToboggon@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What if it's a really sexy one?

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