Sounds like shrinking the population would solve the problem, as long as it's a very specific 10% that was shrunk.
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This reeks of the “noble savage” stereotype. I would be willing to bet 80% of biodiversity being in native lands has more to do with how brutally they’ve been repressed than how “in tune” with the environment they are.
They’re people too, and I see little reason to believe they wouldn’t fall to the same human flaws as the rest of us if given the chance.
It's called Indigenous TEK and it's pretty well established.
https://www.firstnations.org/our-programs/stewarding-native-lands/
https://e360.yale.edu/features/native-knowledge-what-ecologists-are-learning-from-indigenous-people
https://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/docs/support/sila_video/tek.pdf
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/tek/description.htm
https://www.bia.gov/service/fuels-management/traditional-knowledge
https://www.fws.gov/sites/default/files/documents/TEK-Fact-Sheet.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_ecological_knowledge
Thank you for providing sources.
Except the fact we have lots of evidence that native population (which also includes pre-industrial European culture) built sustainable systems which includes altering the environment. Throughout North America there tons of evidence of the use of fire was used. The classic prairie environment of the Oak Savana is only possible through burns and supports a large buffalo population. There's tons of evidence of strategic cultivation of trees and other plants within the Amazon rainforest that allow people to get food and medicine close by that to the untrained eye looks identical to the rest of the forest.
That being said some of those same people them destroy the same forest via slash and burn agriculture in order to earn a living for cash crops and more traditional agriculture. So profits is a main driver
So profits is a main driver
This is exactly what I’m getting at. If these groups of humans were placed in the same scenarios that Europeans or other westerners were placed in, would they not be susceptible to the same greed that motivated them?
I do not deny that many native societies appear to live in more harmony with the environment than your average westerner. There is certainly a lot to learn there, and I believe we would do better if we emulated some of those characteristics. However, I think that we’re all susceptible to the same flaws, as we are all human.
Ultimately what I’m saying is I don’t think that natives have some superpower where they have figured out how to escape the flaws that have plagued humanity for thousands of years.
95% of people can sing kumbaya in their little eco friendly circle jerk but if that 5% is over it and ready to fight over that belief the 95% better buck the fuck up and rise to the obvious existential threat in front of their fucking face or else they lose.
Oh look, that’s what happened.
Many indigineous peoples uphold sustainability as crucial to their culture.
It is actually a common logical failing of Western thinking to assume that everyone sees the world and interacts with it the same way (like them). An unfortunate legacy of Eurocentrism during the colonial era.
The noble savage archetype itself came from Western schools of thought, and though it's now accepted as overly reductive, that doesn't mean that many Indigineous cultures do not live lives closer to nature and therefore put more thought into their ecological impact.
Indigineous cultures are layered and sophisticated. Some argue that principles of egalitarianism and self governance were introduced to englightenment thinkers through contact with Indigineous peoples in the Americas. Unfortunately a Eurocentric world view meant that crediting non European cultures for anything over most of the past 500 years has been discouraged.
Many indigineous peoples uphold sustainability as crucial to their culture.
Many of every other nation, race, culture and creed do too.
It is actually a common logical failing of Western thinking to assume that everyone sees the world and interacts with it the same way (like them).
See how the sentence describes the crime you just committed? Philosopher, heal thyself.
I distinctly remember being taught in 2002 in upstate New York that humans were outside of the ecosystem and not bound by the same rules and things as animals were. The teacher said that’s what made us so special.
What a fucking crime.
Ecofascism isn't a real ideology I don't know why people keep insisting it is. Almost seems like a deliberate psy-op to create divisions among environmentalists. But more likely people are just stupid and afraid and angry.
What do you mean? It certainly is. It has been, for example, an influence in several right extreme terror attacks (notably the Christchurch, NZ mass shooting in 2019 comes to mind, where the murderer explicitly described himself as such in his manifesto). Not to mention that crunchy, back-to-the land ideas are a really important part of contemporary far right propaganda.
I'd also argue that this doesn't really sow division amongst environmentalists; just because it has 'eco' in the name doesn't mean these people actually care about the environment, it's all aesthetics.
Yes, surprised at these comments considering how much this stuff is some of the current hot topics in research.
Sorted by date:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&scisbd=1&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=ecofascism
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22indigenous+stewardship%22&scisbd=1
Biodiversity is one of my areas, chat.
Your post really called out all the "smart" people who have decided on a form of fascism to appeal to their idea of how to fix the world.
They won't change their mind cause they want less people and they want to think it fixes stuff without having to read a study about it. They liked it during covid when there were less people to interact with I think and had comfort in wealth to not have to suffer the consequences and now just aim for it.
Good post. Love the resources.
Your meme has too many words and the four block structure makes no sense.
Tldr White people bad
White people do be bad tho.
Anne Hathaway, Emma Watson, Cate Blanchette....
Absolute baddies 🥵
Dude, there is a memes that are mutliple paragraphs that some people can recite by heart.
Just mention eliter snipers or vaporeon and watch the people go.
I'm tired of people pretending they are smart and problem solving by by mass murdering most humans on the planet and stopping procreation.
You don't solve a jigsaw puzzle by putting 10 pieces together and burning the rest so you dont have to deal with them.
I watched a documentary in New Zealand about fish stocks. It was talking about how the fish around New Zealand are overfished and numbers are low. Had experts talking about issues with boats and how they need no fishing areas. They had Maori on there talking about how much abundance of fish there was before the white people came. They talked about how in tune the Maori were with the land and had ways to manage stock.
The documentary finished saying the issue is still ongoing and not enough has been done. Didn't really go into why.
Well I looked it up after the majority of fishing companies are owned by the Maori and the reason the scientifically justified areas were not set as a sanctuary was because the Maori didnt agree and wanted to do things there own way that would allow them to fish at levels higher than what the science was saying is possible. On this matter New Zealand cared more about what Maori incorrectly believed over what the scientific evidence was saying to them.
People need to get off their high horse. People suck all over the world. Yea shock the people that live in mountains which remain untouched because it is shit farmland is going to have the most nature. But go to other countries and you see it's the same, well worse than white countries. Places like UK has had protected land for hundreds of years. They set up protected land in the new places they went. Areas they left like Malaysia and India are full of rubbish and monoculture. They didn't get better. Go to Indonesia and look at their beautiful islands. The tour guide said to us "look no littering sign. Only in Indonesian. Westerners don't litter but the locals do".
no littering sign. Only in Indonesian
Not really related, but in Japan, I came across a monolingual sign that said: "In Japanese culture, it is considered impolite to piss in public".
Westerners don’t litter but the locals do
Have you not seen how westerners behave on vacation? Maybe you got lucky, but there's a reason the tourist part of nearly every city has the most litter
I'm not sure this person is aware what indigenous means. Unless, of course this meme is a 100% America-centric meme and largely ignores the entire rest of the world.
Also pretty funny that "eco fascism" is placed underneath what I assume are native Americans.
Switch the bottom panels in your head. They're not meant to be associated with the up row. Oop poor design choice.
I get the intent, but I still think it's funny that you placed eco fascist underneath the group the native Americans.
Btw, I still don't think you know what indigenous means.
There is a point burried in there that is drowned out by all the fallacious added baggage. Its disingenuous bullshit.
Indigenous Chinese or Indians or Nigerians are not protectors of the earth, just like every other industrial nation. The picture meant to frame "Indigenous" as what Canada calls the indigenous First Nations peoples. It's relying on the racist trope of the noble savage, forgetting that First Nations aren't against industrializing their lands, as long as they are included as partner beneficiaries and they don't maximize returns via egregious environmental destruction on their lands. They also generally want industrialization and trade including water treatment, sanitation and all the other goodies like internet, tv, playstations and the like.
It also targets "capitalist" without looking at the eco-horrors of every other 'ism on earth. Go have a cool tall glass of Ganges, Nile or Yellow river water and tell me how refreshing it is.
This is a shitpost carefully designed to be a lopsided attack.
Although I dont disagree, the argument doesn't make sense. Do you think our worlds population would be the same if we all lived like indigenous people?
Nihilists should lead by example and remove themselves first.
amazon, many rainforests(both amazon and mega-biodiversity of indonesia, south eas asia) is being decimated and untold species both undiscovered and rares are fast disappearing.
Thanks for the good vibes, they'd also love this over on LeftyMemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Feel free to crosspost!
Who is reading this without being part of the 10%?
According to this study, an income of $38,000/year puts you in the top 10% of carbon emitters. This study puts it at €42,980, or about $50K USD. That's a little higher than the median income in N. America, Europe, and Australia.
That said, carbon emissions are just one way humans impact the environment; other facets are far less variable (we all produce about the same amount of human waste per day, for example).
We aren’t saying that brown people are above tech and modernities and that’s why they don’t have them… are we? Surely not.
Nope, check out the TEK links and the First Nations link. A lot of these programs are led by indigenous groups.
https://www.unep-wcmc.org/en/news/championing-indigenous-peoples-stewardship-of-biodiversity
What are the population densities and technology levels among these magical indigenous peoples? This is the Magical Negro trope all over again.