No Stupid Questions

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

You need an argument more compelling than "he fucks children". Good luck.

This is wrong take. You need to get the idiots that didint vote against him to vote. The ppl that thinks dems are lesser evil and third party is worthless. The 20 mil that voted for biden in 2020 but wouldnt for harris in 2024.

Lord knows I tried but these ppl rather wait for the progressive messiah than vote for anything less.

People do understand what the midterms are, right?

...Right?

Neither Trump nor Vance are up for election in 2026. But quite a few of their GOP cronies are, in the house and senate. All of the house is up for election and roughly one third of the senate. This will most likely be our last chance to oust at least some of Trump's enablers in congress.

Cute. You think they are going to hold midterms.

That's not what you should be trying to do.

if you can convince democrats to vote, they will win because there are more of them.

So, I'll argue with people on Nextdoor about things like ICE and trans issues when they come up. Over the last few weeks I've been talking directly with a woman from there, after a discussion about ICE. She identifies as conservative/libertarian, but to be fair she also voted for the incumbent Democrat in our congressional district so there legitimately was some wiggle room there, not just a MAGA claiming to be moderate.

Over the long course of our conversation, she seems to see the anti-Trump point of view a lot better and even changed her mind a little bit on some topics. I also accidentally triggered what I can best describe as an introspective crisis when I explained that I'm not entirely comfortable considering her a friend when she turns a blind eye to the harm Trump is causing others, including the diverse group of friends I have (it was a more detailed, gentle explanation but that was the gist of it)

Since this is ongoing and I've been kind of surprised at how it's gone, here's what I think has worked well...

• Keep things friendly. I know that's hard to do, but if you come on too strong and angry, you'll just drive people away from you and firmer in their position

• Stay on-topic to the things that matter most. Things like people being sent to CECOT without so much as a trial (disregarding multiple amendments in the bill of rights)

• Stay factual. Be prepared to back up with sources, and offer to ahead of time. Be absolutely sure that everything you say is bulletproofly true. Avoid getting alarmist.

• Pace yourself. I'd go hours just thinking about what was said and how best to respond. We agreed this was best so we didn't get distracted from our lives too much

• Listen. I can't think of anything where I've really changed my mind, but it does give a way to frame your concerns ("I hear what you're saying about the influx of migrants. I'm not sure what the data shows there, but if you let the government bypass protocol they're basically incentivized to let the mess get so big they can take away rights and that doesn't sit well with me" or "I get that you want people to go through the legal process, but ICE is picking up people in court on their way to their check-ins. They're TRYING to keep things legal and are getting punished for it"). Sometimes I've circled back to things said earlier to make a connection (don't like CECOT happening? This is the kind of thing that got us there)

Convince them to stay home because the election is a foregone conclusion

You don't. They're beyond help.

You can’t. So spend your time doing more worthwhile things like landing the undecided vote.

A gun.

You can't.

I'm not sure it's worth putting a ton of energy into trying to convince Trump voters. Many of them only come to their senses once they are personally affected by his policies.

There needs to be focus on turning out the majority of Americans who dislike Trump. That has to be done with exciting candidates who focus on our systemic problems and actually want to change things. There's no amount of window dressing and virtue signaling you can hang on corporatists to make people enthusiastic. They must want to vote for the candidate, not just find them more tolerable.

Just get more people voting. Study after study on US politics proves that if voting percentages were higher, the GOP would probably never be back in power.

Tell them elections are cancelled

Its the midterms. They're not on the ballot.

Oh I see the joke. Continue.

It's been over a decade.

These aren't confused people anymore.

They. Are. Traitors.

They are traitors who will do anything, up to and including electing a felon rapist insurrectionist who regularly violates the Constitution and sends a masked unaccountable secret police force to harass and murder Americans, in order to get what they want.

That's not confusion. That's malicious intent.

If you want to know how to make traitors stop being traitors. If you want to know how to make fascists stop being fascists. Well, I'm not totally sure I wouldn't get banned for the answer. I definitely would on Reddit.

Those of us who passed our history classes have been trying for a decade to get people to help vote us in the opposite direction of this. That didn't work. Now it's happening and there's no easy way out of this.

When talking to right-wingers, convince them both parties are the same and encourage 3rd-party voting

When talking to anyone left-of-center, encourage them to vote in elections, especially primaries

When you talk to right wingers, don't say "trump is a fascist", you need to water it down.

Talk about the issues that hurt them. Inflasion. Cost of living.

Don't bother trying to convince them to vote blue, it's gonna "trigger" their brainwashed programming and they will just ignore you. Focus on convincing that "Republicans are just as bad as Democrats!¹ Lets vote 3rd party!"

¹Cuz they view Democrats as "evil"... so you need to "code-switch" when trying to Psyop against them.

Take part in your community and talk with people. You'd be surprised how much everyone agrees with each other on topics like healthcare.

Well, 2026 is easy because neither of them will be on that ballot. That's why midterms are tough for incumbents, because there's less motivation for their party to turn out, but the aggrieved opposition are highly motivated to turn out as a referendum on the current administration.

2028, who knows ~~man~~. Anything can happen between now and then. I feel like if someone voted for Trump in 2020 or 2024 then they are terminally stupid.

Tell them they should go and vote in Greenland to make its annexation official, because if they mail in their ballot it will be stolen. And Greenland is the only option to have a third Trump presidency.

Brainstorming here but you have to factor in that right wing media exists to manipulate these people. To specifically fix it, a major part is reverse engineering right wing media and crashing it.

A) prevent chuck schumer from continuing to be in office. Fascist media needs a villain, wrestling needs a heel. remove the low hanging fruit and they start infighting because how could the new guy be responsible for old problems? The "deep state" mythology exists to explain why republican policies (tax cuts) don't produce results (prosperity).

B) make the new conservative fad to be off social media - camping or whatever it doesnt matter. Get them away from the echo chamber for five minutes and see if boredom without internet causes their brain cells to start working again. At the very least this would reduce the profitability of the media by reducing view counts.

C) People in tennessee are so pilled they thought they could vote against mamdani in the New York Mayoral election. Guerrilla education would be a funny way to combat the stupidity of MAGA. Its speculated that Trump is obsessed with greenland because he thinks its huge due to map distortion on mercator map projections. A way to show how dumb this is indirectly would be to give out free globes.

Edit: I should say it would be easier to win an election with somebody in office like Mamdani who has both charisma and good values. But since the question is specifically getting trumpers to not vote, the answers are what they are.

it wont undo the damage what trump has done, and what the DNC ENABLED him to do. 8 Ds were chosen as sacrificial lambs by schumers since they arnt up for rele-election this year, to shield the other 13 dems that are.

If they choose to still vote for more of this madness and the obvious damage to themself economically and socially, they're clearly in denial and there's little you or I can do to change their mind.

If Trump starts costing the oligarchy money, they will discontinue support for republicans.

About 12 hours ago there was an article about eu tariffs on oligarchs. About 6 hours ago Trump chickened out of the Greenland thing.

Not saying there's a direct line between these two events, but its the people making billions off Trump who are keeping him in power.

Core beliefs aren't likely to change.

You can’t. They’re in a cult.