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Is there some hidden pronounciation rule I'm not aware of? And why do we say F.B.I and not FBI or U.S.B and not USB ?

I know it seems a really silly question seeing the actual situation with the ICE eveywhere on the news... But this really bothers me on why people yell ICE when it's actually the I.C.E :/.

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[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

NASA, NATO, Radar, Sonar, Laser, Scuba, AIDS, PIN, SWAT, YOLO, CAD

The rule genuinely is "if it can be said as a word, it might be said as a word".

They're called acronyms.

BBC, TV, USSR etc. can't easily be said as a word - these are just initialisations.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 5 points 23 hours ago

If an acronym is convenient, it will overrule an initialism.

You seem to be insisting on avoiding the acronym that is right there, and I'm not sure why.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago

I do say FBI, though: pronounced like "Phoebe"

But nobody likes it when I do.

[–] Tahl_eN@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As far as I'm aware, the rule is "if it can easily be pronounced, it should be pronounced. If it can't, fall back to spelling it." For example, if it was the Federal Investigation Bureau, we would probably call it the Fib, barring some major marketing campaign to prevent that.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 5 points 1 day ago

If someone told me this is specifically why it isn't called that, I'd believe it.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

They get called the feebs by some folks

[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Acronyms vs Initialisms

No one is going to try pronounce Fbi, it’s awkward.

There are terms that bridge the Acronym/Initialism divide. SQL-Sequel, URL-Earl and GUI-Gooey are some that come up fairly regularly in my line of work.

The bottom line is; Language is used to communicate concepts. We are lazy and do it as efficiently as we can get away with. The rules have changed a LOT to get us where we are today. It would be blind hubris to think the change will stop just because we don’t like it.

[–] eatham@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago

Never heard someone say earl for URL and I would not understand if someone did. That's like if i pronounced FBI freebie

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 1 points 23 hours ago

I've been in IT for over 30 years and never once heard someone try to make an acronym of URL.

[–] N0x0n@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Funny enough... I do say S.Q.L or U.R.L 😅

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Squirrel and Earl

[–] VeryVito@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Me too. And I say them on the World Wide Web, which is quicker to say than the WWW.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 1 points 23 hours ago

That never really caught on though.

[–] N0x0n@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

On the W.W.W or Www?

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

SQL, back in 2015, officially transitioned from being pronounced Sequel to being pronounced EssQueueEll.

I still call it Sequel.

Then again, I say U R L, but also pronounce URI as Yuri. I also say L O L instead of Loll and I R L instead of Earl.

And then there’s mixed acronyms like Jaypeg and Empeg.

[–] Goun@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Yup, those are contested

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

FBI and USB aren't words, ICE is.

POTUS isn't actually a word, but it's often pronounced that way.

The Depot of Transportation is often reduced to DOT.

[–] Jeeve65@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because it is a word, or it's easier to say, or funnier.

It's definitely not the only case. NATO comes to mind, or GOAT, NIMBY. Yesterday I heard someone say (in a tv series episode) 'fudney' for FDNY

What it 'actually' is does not matter.

It's ICE, as in: cold as

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ICE is actually pronounced "shitfuck"

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

You misspelled SS.

[–] allriledup@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Goun@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

N.A.S.A.? What about it? /s

[–] N0x0n@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Maybe this is some sarcasme... But why then follow rules if we can just say things how we prefer? GIF or JIF?

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago

Because rules of language are not laws and are under no obligation to be consistent and/or make sense.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Er, aren’t you disproving your own point there?

There’s two ways GIF can be pronounced, so we use both.

Beats having to say “Graphical Interchange Format” or spelling it out every time we want to communicate with someone.

The goal is to condense meaning as much as possible without losing the original context.

Although with some acronyms, it actually takes longer to pronounce the acronym than spell it out, and we still pronounce it because of vocal flow (easier for the mouth to string those shapes together).

[–] N0x0n@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not disproving, just making context on how confusing it can be if there isn't proper rules to follow :/

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Welcome to the English language, where there are two sets of rules to follow (Germanic and Latin) and social linguistic development often eschews both.

Cuz this is OOSAH (USA), this is just how OOSIANS (USA-ians) talk.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

I'ma chargin' ma ell ay zed ee arr!