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So much focus on the idea that the ICE crackdown is a distraction from the Epstein files makes me wonder if it isn’t the other way around-get people to focus on the idea of a cover up that they don’t resist a fascist takeover as effectively as they otherwise might.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 50 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Everything is a distraction from everything else. The point is to overwhelm you

[–] undeffeined@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 hours ago

It's working, and I'm not american

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago

Flood the zone.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 106 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You think too unilaterally.

Everything is a distraction for everything else. The entire Project 2025 strategy, summed up perfectly by that tramp-looking lardass Steve Bannon, is to "flood the zone" - that is, coming up with such a volume of such outrageous shit constantly, relentlessly, that nobody has time to follow up on anything.

When the media latches on Epstein too much, suddenly it's war on Venezuela. When Venezuela raises too many questions, oops: now it's murders in Minneapolis. When Minneapolis becomes too hot, back to Epstein.
Etc etc.
Ad nauseam.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 22 points 23 hours ago

Oops, seems like Trump is going to steal 10 billion dollars from United States by suing the IRS.

[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

There is ALWAYS too much crapvgoing on. and the news changes focus every time anything even begins to feel remotely stale.

Meaning, it's not just Republicans who are part of the problem. Sensationalist news plays right into their hands.

[–] Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago (4 children)

pretty sure those files would uncover a LOT of bad shit. rape, murder, human trafficking etc etc from essentially the 'elite' all across the globe. FFS they threw kids bodies into lakes, and that's only what they released. there is probably torture, forced druggings, executions, decapitations etc etc etc... I'd bet the things they do make isis look tame.

everything is a serious issue, and they are using each thing to distract from each other. flood you with info so you can't keep track of anything.

[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

It's deeply fucked, there are publicly circulating screenshots that on their own are pretty damning evidence that individuals including but not limited to top billionaires and public officials traipsed on over to pedophile goddamn island and partied with quantities of drugs that we literally know because they kept inventory.

Nowhere near the number of people who we have confirmation were involved have been arrested.

So it's like goddamn now what do I do? I am to say the least very upset.

I don't even know what my protest sign should say anymore, "I WOULD NEED A MUCH LARGER SIGN TO DISPLAY ALL THE CAUSES I AM CURRENTLY AGITATED ABOUT"?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

They get to that level of wealth and power by a compulsive need to one-up each other...

Which means they're gonna do horrible shit just to be the one who's done the worst shit.

Let that cycle spin for a couple decades, and shit gets ugly

Back in the day, years & years ago, ‘America’s Lawyer Mike Pappantonio (SP?)’ host Mr. Pappantonio (SP?) was given a photocopy of Epstein‘s little black book, by a whistleblower & was reading-out all the names in it.

The problem with The USA or any government (or any Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners controlled organization) having the files is they will Redact/Blackout all evidence against people in the politicians’ favor. Funny thing about this is I did come-up with that obvious problem, even crazier neither did any Political Left expert on the political shows-media I experience, until after they were released with Redacted/Blackedout evidence. Months before, the only person to predict the obvious was my own mother. So no, forever we really will only find out very little. If any Political Left expert on the political shows-media was not prevented from releasing the same or better information, then we would find out a ton.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

New epstein files came out today, distracting from the impending government shutdown

[–] Tuscy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Ngl, Trump sticking his finger into countless little girls vaginas to measure depth and tightness to determine auction value is pretty fucking distracting.

[–] Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 10 points 21 hours ago

Welcome to Trump's 'flooding the zone with shit' strategy.

Not invented by, but brought to your attention by Steve Bannon. Trump's advisor in the 2016 campaign. He understood very clearly that winning elections don't happen by winning from the opposition, but by winning in the voting booth. His strategy was particularly aimed at the media. Where there is one channel that just continues a stream of populist propaganda in fox, while flooding the media landscape with scandals, lies, distractions, outrage, conspiracy, fantasies, etc. He created a safe haven for conservatives, whilst keeping the general left extremely busy.

Everything that has happened is a distraction from establishing a fascist state. Everything is theatre, everything is meant for tv. Nobody cares about the real life consequences, as long as the theatre keeps people engaged, enraged and not looking behind the screens.

[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am not USian. I live in one of the countries that the United States recently bombed (figure which). I sincerely ask USians: Is what is in those papers really much worse than everything the administration is already doing and is going to do to you and all the world?

[–] felbane@lemmy.world 15 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

In a sane world, any one of the atrocities would be enough to put a stop to these people.

In a realistic world, shining a light on all these different atrocities would be sufficient to convince enough people to protest/threaten the power of the spineless patricians who refuse to convict and remove the fascists from power. For example if Billy Bob the redneck says "I'm fine with kidnapping brown people but fiddling kids is too far!" then Epstein might convince him to support impeachment/removal.

In the current clown world we live in, nothing that the fascists say or do will un-brainwash their base, and somehow that's enough to prevent everyone else from making a cohesive stand against the evil.

So to answer your question: no, it's not worse. It's a desperate attempt to make something start tipping the scale back toward liberty and peace.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

There's something that will unbrainwash a fascist, actually. It's called a weapon. As they said just after WW2, and will continue to say many years from now.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

So to answer your question: no, it's not worse. It's a desperate attempt to make something start tipping the scale back toward liberty and peace.

I doubt that means much to people out of eyesight and earshot to whom we've never allowed to have the same liberty and peace.

[–] felbane@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, and to be clear I mean a liberty and peace that includes everyone that has historically been marginalized and abused by this nation's governments and by people who think they're superior to everyone else.

The problem with a melting pot (particularly one that was started by murdering and stealing land from a continent's worth of indigenous people) is that it puts bigots right next to the people they hate.

The benefit of a melting pot is that if the incoming generation can avoid being programmed into hatred by their parents, society trends toward true equality and equity.

I'm trying to maintain optimism that this current extreme escalation is the flailing death throes of a generation raised into bigotry and self-aggrandization, and that we'll come out the other side of this being a better society (the younger generations today are so much more openly altruistic and progressive on the whole).

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 22 hours ago

I'm trying to maintain optimism that this current extreme escalation is the flailing death throes of a generation raised into bigotry and self-aggrandization, and that we'll come out the other side of this being a better society (the younger generations today are so much more openly altruistic and progressive on the whole).

Well, I don't fault you for any of it. This part will require vigorously investigating, rooting out our liberal narrative, and reeducating ourselves.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

I don’t think that’s the case. I think this is all connected to the FACT that israel is a hostile foreign power who is literally milking America dry. When Americans ask for the social safety nets we pay for Israelis to have were told it's "Marxism"

We the American taxpayers

pay for Israeli citizens to get free universal healthcare, a $400 payment per child per month until they are18 and free college and a blank check for war and genocide.

Don't worry we get a lot out of it because they are our "friends". Such good friends in fact that they funded Epstein and ghisline to run a child sex trafficking ring to blackmail our politicians. That's totally something a friend would do not a hostile foreign power that wants to bleed us dry for their imperial ambitions. You mad? You should be.

The IDF is training ICE

This technology was developed by palantir to assist Israel with their settler colonialist genocide target Palestinians, journalists and children

Our politicians are still being blackmailed by Israeli intelligence because Epstein and Ghisline were Mossad

Washington is literally occupied by Israeli assets

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/retired-green-beret-whistleblower-claims-ice-trains-israel-bring-apartheid-tactics-us-1769427

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/palantir-allegedly-enables-israels-ai-targeting-amid-israels-war-in-gaza-raising-concerns-over-war-crimes/

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/11/12/epstein_israel

https://www.trackaipac.com/congress

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/75-democrats-express-gratitude-to-ice-in-antisemitism-vote-amid-la-riots/ar-AA1GoYn7

[–] zorflieg@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Fun fact for Aussies. The largest retirement fund in Australia is Australian Super. Probably no surprise their standard balanced offering invests in Elbit Systems and weapons companies. But in 2025 they reclassified their ethical "Socially Conscious" investment from "Include companies that make more than 10% profit from" weapons shady shit. To now read "No more than 50%" and that's profit not turnover. Also both their socially conscious and Aware Super ethical both include Palantir among their investments. So basically any investment in them is an investment in all the BS.

[–] Darkness343@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago

It makes you wonder if our ancestors were into something whenever they tried to erase the 'chosen tribe of god' from their lands over and over again...

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The files are a distraction from themselves.

Everybody is worried about which powerful people will be embarrassed. Nobody is asking: does this sort of thing still go on? Or How can we prevent billionaires from snatching teenagers off the streets?

Because our society only pretends to care about the victims of sexual abuse. We talk about how we hate rapists and pedophiles, but our actions betray the truth.

[–] Tuscy@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I’m inclined to believe Epstein was working for Israel and he’s not the only agent doing this.. they’re not gonna only have one “employee”..

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

I think they are more or less. Like everything in them is monstrous and the people who perpetrated it deserve to be uncovered, but its also dangling the 'easy' solution to Trump in front of people. You're less likely to do something substantial to resist the admin if you think any day now the bombshell is going to shatter their hold on power. Doesn't matter how real the bomb is if waiting for it to go off stops you from using other means to save people now.

The more power Trump amasses through ICE, the less likely the Epstein files will ever make an impact. I guess my real thought is that getting justice for the crimes in the Epstein files depends on breaking their hold on power first, and not the other way around. Its real, its important, we should care about it, but it is not a means to also defeating fascism

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I don’t think Trump himself is doing it—but I think the people around him see it as a plus that it will likely be the Epstein scandal that eventually brings him down, because it will release the political pressure while leaving the rest his administration and policies unscathed.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Nope but he trump isn't the only one who wants them kept from public view.

[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 1 points 20 hours ago

THEY ARE THE DISTRACTION!

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

It will take years to do an actual criminal case so it’s not like Trump has to care about that, he can also pay to stall that forever

The only thing the Epstein files could do is trigger an impeachment and if the files that exist havnt done that so far do you honestly think more files will?

He already defeated Epstein

I have a better & never heard before, let alone thought of before-

What if all of ‘The Crazy Don’s & his administration’s sick & evil actions are distractions for each other & goals, with the goal of getting as many of them as possible done.

They are, but are not because they are extremely sick, evil & serious crimes that must be punished!

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The overwhelming narrative has been “this (ICE raids, other Trump administration fuckery) is a distraction from the Epstein files!” Hence “if.”

[–] Tuscy@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

At first your post made no sense. But after reading the comments and the Epstein list drop today.. I get what you’re saying. Epstein list is distracting af. But it’s not for the reasons we would normally think. Epstein list is a distraction from the fact that the US is turning into a facist state under the control of Israel. It just makes sense…

[–] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Worth a quick watch. https://youtu.be/W395tLM6e24

Sorry for all the anti AI people but here's a summary.

The video discusses investigative journalist Whitney Webb’s perspective on the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. Rather than treating Epstein’s crimes as an isolated criminal case, the video frames them in a broader context involving entanglements of national security interests, intelligence operations, and powerful networks. It highlights claims that key aspects of the Epstein story have been overlooked or obscured in mainstream coverage, and suggests that Webb has identified new or under-reported elements (“the last clue”) that shed additional light on connections between Epstein and broader systems of influence.

More indepth summary shittily formatted;

spoiler...

The video argues that the Epstein scandal isn’t just a sex-trafficking criminal case — it is part of a broader system of elite power structures that includes intelligence agencies, financial networks, and geopolitical interests. Public focus on the sexual abuse alone, according to Webb, has been used to contain attention and protect deeper connections and operations that implicate powerful actors. � YouTube 🧠 Key Points Broken Down

  1. Not Just a Crime Story — A Managed Narrative Webb’s argument reframes Epstein’s life and death as part of a managed narrative, where the public discussion is narrowed to a familiar sex-trafficking scandal. This, she suggests, is done deliberately to keep deeper questions about financial crimes, intelligence ties, and power networks off the public agenda. � YouTube
  2. Behind the Scenes: Intelligence and Power The video highlights claims that Epstein’s connections with intelligence agencies — particularly through legal deals and informant roles — may have given him protection and leverage that helped him evade deeper scrutiny. Webb has previously documented how intelligence interests and elite protection can operate to contain scandals. � Before It's News
  3. “Last Clue” — What’s Being Suggested The “last clue” in the video’s title points to recent newly released documentation and analysis suggesting that Epstein’s operations and associations go beyond what has been publicly discussed — including financial flows, arms and drugs trafficking, and influence operations — though these points are mostly alluded to through broader commentary rather than specific named evidence in the video itself. � tapnewswire.com
  4. Focus on Secrecy and Containment Webb emphasizes that the real story isn’t being told and that authorities and powerful interests benefit from keeping the public’s attention constrained. This shapes a narrative in which justice is selective and systemic accountability is avoided. � YouTube 🧩 Context from Related Discussion While the video focuses on Webb’s recent comments, her broader body of work (including books like One Nation Under Blackmail) consistently links the Epstein network with: organized crime and Western intelligence cooperation, elite protection mechanisms across decades, and strategic containment of damaging information. � MY GREAT AWAKENING 📌 Summary In essence, the video asserts: The Epstein saga is more than a sexual abuse scandal; it’s a controlled narrative. � YouTube Powerful interests may deliberately limit and frame public discourse to prevent exposure of deeper connections. � YouTube The “last clue” refers to insights about how these elite networks operate behind the scenes — beyond the mainstream framing focused solely on trafficking. �