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[–] Myron@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Understood. You have no identity within reality, and thus everything is suspect to be artificial. Which is the state of Being within reality: non-belief (not merely as reality, but as a potentiality of reality).

One is drawn into a conclusion which is based upon the presupposition of non-reality. Which leads them deeper into their own suspicions, i.e, things and even critiques are not real, which means 'I am Correct', perpetually.

It seems complicated. Such a interesting state of being. Continue...

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 hours ago

I've always considered myself a film buff but even i'm struggling to sit through most of the tripe that's coming out of hollywood these days. Arts films have always been a challenge but rewarding once their completed.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Oppenheimer was rough. The whole fuckin thing about whether he was a commie or not, or just how commie he was, is it commie to not want to drop the bomb, etc. Myopic, tedious. You could cut an hour out and it would be the same movie. They didn’t even get into the “Demon Core”.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

I knew Hollywood would ruin it and I actively avoided seeing it.

Now that I know how it was ruined I don't need to watch. Maybe in 10 years I'll ask AI to do a "trololol's cut" for me and I'll watch it.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

i mean some of the movies film professors pick, i had trouble sitting through, uh, 20-30 years ago (that is not an estimate i was one of those students) so is this on the professors? what are the films?

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Lyrical Nitrate

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Why pick a major you hate??

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

I don't think the kids hate it, just that the attention span isn't what it used to be.

But it also works for us imo, to a degree. I at least find the pacing of 80's or 90's tv much calmer. And I daresay a movie from the B&W era would be slower still.

And I don't think there's yet a professional short-form making masterclass so that's where the kids end up

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

If only we've shown kids Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies a bit more...

[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Ever watch 2001: A Space Odyssey? I love it, but man it's slow.

Also it's a movie that asks more questions than it answers, which annoys a lot of people.

I saw Terminator 3 in the theater. The first 20-30:minutes, with that crazy chase, I was like, is this going to be the whole film? Eventually it does show down and take a breath, but I still remember my initial reaction to that.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

i am still awestruck by that short of that girl who tosses her phone up in the air and it spins around a few times and gets the amazing slomo spinny shot of the beach and then boobs. I'm gonna be honest, i used to do camera work and i still can't figure out how she thought it up (not the boobs part, everyone can think up boobs) she is a genius. she could cut out the boobs part it is such an amazing shot.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

There’s a difference between a movie you want to go see in a theater and the film assigned as classwork by a professor.

Same as if you were told you had to read a book by an author you don’t care for in a writing style that doesn’t click with you snd maybe even from a different time with framing that doesn’t exist today.

It’s work.

Maybe desire to play with a phone and use social media might be an issue, but at least some of these same kids that have a hard time sitting through a film would have doodled, started falling asleep or just daydreamed instead.

[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Were they trying to watch Melania? From what I hear that would be understandable.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

Well they should fail then I guess.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I watched both "Dune" from Denis Villeneuve yesterday, back to back, thats gotta be 4h straight. Went to pee once

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 16 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

That's like saying math students are having trouble sitting through a calculus class. All that means is the better, more deserving ones who put the work in will be successful. A tale as old as time.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

All that means is the better, more deserving ones who put the work in will be successful.

Oh, how adorably naive.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Or it means that the education system is tailored for one specific learning style and that those with different styles or a neurodivergency are shit out of luck.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

Or the more likely, it's a bunch of new students who've grown up watching everything in portrait mode and short bursts with Subway Runner or someone cutting soap for some reason on half the screen.

[–] Tilgare@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'm absolutely not an expert and not qualified here. But if we accept that you're 100% right and need way more broad options, is it even possible to solve this at scale? (I'm assuming we're all talking about the US since our education is atrocious). 350M Americans spread out across 3.5M sq miles - only smaller in landmass than China, Canada, and Russia, but with substantially LESS uninhabitable land and a relatively large population. That means our population density is nearly ¼ of China's.

How many different learning styles do we support? Do they each get their own tailored schools, each with their own full staff? How do you equally support the 1/5 of the country (60M+) that live in all those spread out rural communities? And what time scale can we even fix this problem on, understanding that we're in the midst of a teacher shortage as it is?

I think proper spending on education absolutely is part of this equation, but someone will have to gut our military spending, so that's hurdle number one. But regardless, tax dollars being a limited resource... I wonder how much spending doing this right would cost. For a full educational overhaul.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago

We should only support neurodivergent learning styles. The neurotypical kids can just conform or end up in prison; they're not worth the tax dollars to accommodate, sorry. It's simply not cost effective, we'll have to leave them behind.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 8 points 15 hours ago

Not really.

I've seen similar complaints about reading assignments for college students as well. The stamina to focus on one piece of work for an extended period of time isn't there compared to a generation ago.

You might have had some students not be able to focus before. Now it is almost the entire class.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world -1 points 7 hours ago
[–] Myron@lemmy.world -2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

When movies become great again (MMGA) then we will watch them with rapture attention.

What we have now are filmmakers who are attempting to remake the magic of films from their childhood (when films represented a kind of currency, or surplus value) or else draw us into a retrospective continuation of filmia-as-philosophy. Like scripture vs. apologetics (if one can follow).

Late-medieval and European-rennaissance art was actually reactionary, prescriptive, imitative craftsmanship. What we often conceptualize as masterpiece is actually imitation (Roman classical-cum-Greek, Van Eyk, etc..), which falls far short of the truly revolutionary. We remember film as the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle version of painting-as-art, when it was historically nothing more than coding (presentation).

Which means we have an artwork which is imitating an artwork, which was an imitation. Which is boring. And people who want a job in that industry are willing to observe the small number of instances in which true artistic innovation was evident, but don't actually believe they will be permitted to engage in such exploration. Which is boring and trite.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

Is there any way we can encourage kids to pursue filmmaking without AI slop?

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Cannot tell if deeply out-of-touch art person with no conception of the incomprehensibility of the nonsense they're spouting or AI... Hmm... Bloviation or AI...

Response is the same, though: ↓

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 47 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

Love that people complain about the length of movies while simultaneously happily siting through eight, hour+ long episodes of Stranger Things over two evenings.

Especially when many hours could have easily been left on the cutting room floor of most streaming shows, but they need to streeetch the runtime so that the writers can meet their contractual, or whatever other internal requirements.

I read the other day that Netflix goes out of their way to restate the premises vocally and frequently as possible, and has as much plot duplication as possible so that people can still enjoy it while they're watching their phones.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 24 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

Love that people complain about the length of movies while simultaneously happily siting through eight, hour+ long episodes of Stranger Things over two evenings.

Because a movie is a constant continuation, where as each episode has a hard end and you can stop and decide if you want to continue or stop.

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[–] toddestan@lemmy.world 39 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

My favorite is when they they say something like "it starts getting good in season 3". Like I'm going to watch tens of hours of a show that kind of sucks just to see if it actually starts getting good or not?

Of course, the reality is that they aren't really watching the show like I would - as in, they aren't sitting down and giving it their undivided attention. The show is on, but they're also on their phones the entire time, or it's on in the background and they are doing something else, or whatever. Probably one of the reasons why the show feels like it's full of filler - they need to make sure that someone that's only sort of paying attention can still follow what's going on.

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[–] BigMilk13@lemmy.world 78 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

thumbnail of The Brutalist (4 hrs long) okay perhaps not the best example

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 1 points 1 hour ago

Right? They should be making them watch the entire Lord of the Rings extended trilogy instead.

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

That may be true but the example in the article, Jules et Jim, is under 2 hours long.

[–] milk@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not a film student but I assume that long, comparatively difficult films by Tarkovsky, Ozu, etc are a lot of what the film students are watching and I would imagine that the professors are commentating on more recent developments

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Tarkovsky films are incredible but are a "watch once in your lifetime" sort of deal.

I asked my grandmother if she had seen STALKER and she said yes, when it came out in theaters, like 40 years ago (in the USSR), and I asked if she was interested in re-watching it with her grandkids

She said: "No. It's a very difficult film. A very difficult film. You watch it only once because you don't get the same feeling a second time"

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I watched it like thrice and it only got better and more fascinating on every rewatch.

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