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He somehow seems to think, still, that he can shape the Democrats. "If I thought there was a viable 3rd party do you think I would be voting for them? Fuck no" he says, after scolding someone in his chat, calling them an ultra, for calling him out for his continued connection to the democrats.

But lets think about this for a second...
how the fuck
do you build
a fucking party
do you do it by voting for, another party
do you do it by telling people to vote for another party
or do you do it by building A FUCKING WORKING CLASS PARTY
LIKE FUCKING LENIN SAID

lenin-rage

I don't really understand what Hasan thinks these Democrats are supposed to "DO" in this situation. "They're not DOING it!" he yells. What is "IT"? Go against their class interests, defy the fundamental laws of capital and somehow break free of their social relations through pure force of will? His proximity to the Democratic Party is what breeds this weird fucking obsession he has.

"These guys are mad because they talk to ME and not their Pedo sex cult leader, that's why they're mad". What if they didn't talk to you, though? What if tomorrow they just stopped talking to you at all? What if the only reason they talk to you AT ALL is that they know that you have a huge fucking audience, and you are actually effective at moving people to the left? So instead, they give you cookies and treats, they give you access and interviews, they let you into the DNC, they give you access to candidates, like Zoran.

I really do think at this point, that he is being catfished by the Democratic Party. That they understand that he is an effective communicator, and they have somehow convinced him that if he just keeps at it, he can one day kick that football for real.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

This is basically the DSA thesis, right? The problem they are going to run into is, eventually, they're just going to ban DSA members from running in their primaries. They will not allow their party to be taken over by entryism, and there aren't a lot of legal constraints on their ability to control their primaries. I think they could even racially segregate their primaries still and there's no legal mechanism to stop them, because they're considered private and not subject to the voting rights act.

Is it worthwhile to force Democrats to ban the DSA? Yeah, maybe. It would certainly raise the contradictions and make building a real workers' party much easier if people ever found out that they aren't allowed to do entryism anymore.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is basically the DSA thesis, right? The problem they are going to run into is, eventually, they're just going to ban DSA members from running in their primaries. They will not allow their party to be taken over by entryism

Good, that's what we want, third parties only become viable when the dem elites dispense with the kayfabe and shut progressives and future leftists out of the current poltical process

But unfortunately that means we have to keep pushing a kayfabe of our known, which is entryism into the Democratic Party, so that rupture can be triggered in the first place

And the fact figures like Zohran and even those dipshits AOC and Bernie maintain high popularity while simultaneously the Democratic Party in general is at historic lows, tells us the groundwork for an internal split is already in place

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I doubt that's what most members of the DSA want, even its more radical membership. Their goal is to win elections, not get barred from them.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Doesn't matter, if they win enough elections under the dem banner, the DNC will make the choice for them

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[–] jack@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Asking the DSA members I know personally, a dramatic break of some sort is definitely what they want. I don't know how representative that is.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's good that Hasan exists.

It's good that communists online criticise him relentlessly.

Hasan takes people from being slightly left of dem and delivers them into the ideas of Lenin while maintaining his position with democrats in order to maximise his audience and the number of people he pulls left.

The criticism of Hasan takes those pulled leftwards and pulls them even further leftwards, fully into organising. Unlike Chomsky who actively told people not to do that, Hasan encourages it or at least offers no barrier and even chastises those who would attempt to stop people moving further left.

Every component in the pipeline is good and necessary. Hasan has a role and he is playing it fine, everyone should loudly and continue to criticise him for it though.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The Correct Dialectical Take

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

hasan-stfuqin-shi-huangdi-fireball

Hasan imagine a world outside the blue genocide party challenge: level imposible

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago

I was so proud of our large son for signing up for the Flotilla, and he goes and says this. pathetic

[–] ImHereForTheEmojis@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (23 children)

Throwback to when he used Lenin to justify voting blue LIB

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

Hasan says he won't vote for Newscum.

Good

He invokes Lenin.

Good

He says Democrats would kill you for more votes.

Good

He says he will work with Democrats...

Fuck

[–] ReallyCoolDude@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago

Newsom is talked about because is the right candidate for tech billionaires. He is a wall street man, like kamala or biden before. Trump and these people all serve the same interests. Why people should vote him?

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

the people yearn for a fighting party with conviction that centers the working class. the democrats can try to secure marginal victories as the controlled opposition party for their donors or fight fascism and save theoretical democracy.

they will obviously pick option 1 but keep thinking you can reform the blue genocide party

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Imagine being able to type "the democrats can try to ... fight fascism" without laughing too hard to click "post". the-democrat stalin-gun-1michael-laugh

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You don't understand you fucking ultra, he's not steering people back into the Democratic Party he's telling you to build a progressive insurgency WITHIN the Democrat Party. It's ENTIRELY different!! /s

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Tbf Americans, and by an extent most westerners, are educationally stunted in the public school system. In the general classes before college you dont even get to learn about different political or economic systems really besides like fuedalism lmao

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I mean, he has a Political Science degree. He's clearly well-read. I think his perspective is warped by his proximity to the Democrats, and I think that's intentional on their part. When you look at how often they embrace progressives and then smother them into the fold, dull their teeth, and blunt their edges, while retaining their radical language, it's a clear pattern and tactic they adhere to. The entire western-leftist project is predicated on stifling revolutionary sentiment, building frameworks of critique that are unactionable, or whose actions steer you back into the neoliberal system. The Democrats, to me, appear to be doing exactly that. They are the final dam holding back leftist progress in this country. They are the revolutionary lightning rod, grounding revolutionary sentiment into the earth and preventing it from doing any actual damage. The Democrats need someone like Hasan as an unwitting Shepherd, leading the flock back into the fence. If they stopped allowing him to engage with candidates, what would be left for Hasan to do? If the Democrats purged current and former DSA members from their ranks, and bared future DSA members from their ranks, what would be left for the DSA to do?

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

If they stopped allowing him to engage with candidates, what would be left for Hasan to do?

this makes me think that you might have developed an unfairly hostile view of his work, a wrong idea about his own attitude towards what he's doing. when the genocide in gaza flared up again in 2023, he lost about 1/3 of his viewership and a lot of his access to politicians. i don't think he's attached to the electoralist project in the way you seem to think he is. the democrat party establishment also has its own entire firmly entrenched political commentary ecosystem that very much does not include hasan piker. when he talks to aoc or rashida tlaib, they're platforming him, not the other way around. it gets him more clout for his ideas, if nothing else.

i guess to put my thoughts another way, what do you think he should be doing rather than talking to democrat politicians sometimes when they let him? mostly they let him talk to "progressives" in pretty safe seats. i like the idea that he could convert his 80k subscribers or however many into militant PSL cadres, but i don't think that's exactly the level of political consciousness of the libs that wander into his chat. do you think he could accomplish something like that and is choosing not to?

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

unfairly hostile view of his work

This is defiantly not true. I'm very well aware of his activities in that time frame I watched him nearly weekly. I am a highly critical supporter of his work. One pattern that is clear is that while Hasan dogs on Democrats regularly his only recourse for you the viewer is to put pressure on the Democrats.

This video, which I can't tell if you've watched or not is him explaining his position with the party and his goals with engaging with the party. He's explained this before like in his GQ article. He is self aware that his efforts here are fruitless or are so far fruitless. Yet he makes it very clear that "if there was a 3rd party worth engaging with" he would do that instead. This is a total fallacy however, stuck in this chicken or egg situation where Hasan isn't interested in 3rd parties until just the right one comes along, or until someone else builds it. That's the implication here by his own words.

His advocacy remains untouched by this critique I have. In this space he is by far the leader and the flag bearer for Palestine advocacy. Though the reaction to his advocacy I would have hoped would clue him in to this idea that he's spinning his wheels. Do people like AOC or Sanders or the squad really bring him a platform? Wouldn't he be mostly talking to like minded liberals in those circles? What is the delta between a Sanders supporter and Hasan in terms of their ideas really? Palestine obviously. On all other issues though, roughly the same. Again, I can't say enough about the things I love about Hasan's work. His willingness to put his body out there is heroic. His commitment to interviewing the marginalized and exploited is commendable. His willingness to put his money where his mouth is and fund labor movements, excellent.

His last big push electorally was for Zohran Mamdani. One of the things that he continues to point to regarding Zohran is that his ideas won. Yet he hasn't replaced the billionaire head of police Jessica S. Tisch and likely won't, he's hired a liberal zionist as the Office to Combat Antisemitism, and is endorsing Brad Lander over Alexa Aviles. Now that last point is pragmatic I'll say, but you can't help but look at it and think it must sting for Aviles.

We have to let Zohran cook a little still. But these feel like bad omens. How long until he's been made into origami like the rest? Has anyone asked him about Maduro? And listen, I'll be the first to tell you I was supporting Zohran to win. I would again. The thing is however, these developments are not surprising. Universal Child Care is still a great step forward.

We are still left with the question of what happens with the 100,000 people Zohran mobilized. How many of them did Hasan steer there? This isn't the worst place to start you political life, however, you are now hitched to a Democratic mayor. What I'm saying is that I don't expect Zohran to continue to agitate against the system of capitalism like he once did. That's 100,000 people who didn't get funneled into a working class party that would continue their political education and activities beyond the campaign. Sure, that group formed their own entity in an attempt to try and hold his feet to the fire but, I don't have high hopes for that.

Some gains will be made for NYC but just like sewer socialist before him, the policies of Mamdani will be vulnerable to the next candidate who takes his place. Considering how much Mamdani is shaped by the mayoral role, as opposed to how much HE can shape the mayoral role, its hard to say what his legacy will really be.

This leads me back to my central issue. Why spend our time and energy on a party that is so capable of imposing itself on those who dare enter its ranks? What good does it do if we drip feed in these progressives?

There won't be a working class party worth engaging with if we don't engage with working class parties. The Democrats are not a working class party. You can not reform them into one. They have to much inertia to allow that to happen.

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[–] oculi@anarchist.nexus 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think it's good that he helps bring new people to the left and I sympathize with people who aren't openly "communist" but try to ease people in at first, but god damn I wish he was less of a radlib. Supporting a neo-nazi blackwater merc because he supports free healthcare (how low can the bar get?) Is just... Gross.

But he is a streamer lol, and afaik he does more good than harm, so I'll bregrudgingly accept him ;^)

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

i think it's a stretch to say he supported the guy when he 1) wanted to interview him to grill him about being a repeat war crimes enjoyer but got dodged and 2) distanced himself after the nazi tattoo reveal. just in the interest of fair history.

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[–] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I really do think at this point, that he is being catfished by the Democratic Party. That they understand that he is an effective communicator, and they have somehow convinced him that if he just keeps at it, he can one day kick that football for real.

I really don't think the democrats cares about Hasan at all. I think a few 'progressive' candidates ~~(to my knowledge he hasn't even gotten to speak to Zoran)~~ have gotten buddy buddy with Hasan as part of their strategy, but that's it. I also think he has close to zero actual pull on the national level. Something he agrees with.

I'll be honest, I do not think he is ill-intentioned. His goal seems to be to try to get the democrats to not be total shit, and try to springboard that to class consciousness. Now that sounds like it wouldn't work at all. It sounds foolish to try. But what other options are there for a mass awaking like that besides accelerationism?

Do I think it will work? Nope. But I don't think he is deluded in his position in the wider political conversation or the opinion of the democrats either.


[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Are you single handedly bringing back forum signatures? Holy shit you're the coolest person in the fediverse.

[–] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think Edie started it with the "suspected of being a cat" bit

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[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We have a few users with signatures. I think it was mainly started by @Edie@hexbear.net/@edie@lemmy.encryptionin.space.

[–] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is true, but I will say I was not directly inspired by Edie, but rather I was thinking back to 7DeadlyFetishes a few days ago. Posting with signatures has a long tradition here


[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

but rather I was thinking back to 7DeadlyFetishes a few days ago

OK, but please try not to defend nazi concentration camp guards. agony-turbo

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[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

(to my knowledge he hasn't even gotten to speak to Zoran

Of course he's spoken with Zohran, which is part of why Cuomo decided to make "Zohran won't condemn Hasan 'America Deserved 9/11' Piker" an absurdly prominent part of the latter stretch of his campaign.

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[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It sounds like to me you're equating building a working class party with accelerationism. Accelerationism is a term I don't fully agree with as a cohesive framework or ideology. Are the Greens accelerationists in the American context? Are Green voters Accelerationists by extension?

I know that's not what you're saying. It just sounds that way. Accelerationism is the fools gold of ideological perspectives. It ignores the interconnected realities of monopoly capital and imperialism. You can only sharpen the contradictions so far before forces outside your sphere of influence make corrective measures. For example, the Chinese economy can't collapse for the same reason why the American economy can't. They are deeply interconnected. The worst you get is a slow controlled descent, a managed decline. Look at how often Trump dipped the stock market with rhetoric and tariffs only to back off and now effectively "stabilize" with much effort from China and our own capitalists.

So I'm not willing to accept this idea that you engage with the Democrats or you don't and accept your fate as an "accelerationist". The PSL is right there, the run candidates, they're running more this year then I've seen. Why pretend you can move a mountain? When instead you could be helping build one? By his own admission he's been doing this for 12 years. He's seen Sanders betrayed. AOC become the AOCapitulator running cover for Zionists and the rule of law. The Democrats aid a genocide and turn to the right, fail to do anything while aiding fascists in terrorizing and killing people within it's own borders. All this and he still thinks entryism is the right path?

If that's not delusion I guess I don't know what is.

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (8 children)

as i understand it, he engages with the electoral politics because it's where most of the people are with their political consciousness. he also talks positively of PSL and its hundred millionaire benefactor. if his goal is to stand at the entry of socialist politics, then he is indeed somewhat obligated to engage within the context of electoralist politics that the vast majority of lib brained amerikkkans occupy. he can't magically move entryism to the gates of PSL cadres. i am uninterested in defending his project as such, i don't know if his socialist entryist political commentary will ultimately help result in a proletarian revolution, i just don't think he's contradicting himself in the context of an entryist ML agitator when amerikkkan brains are still, in the big '26, "like that."

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

I don't know that he has ever admitted to being an ML. He quotes Lenin's What Is To Be Done selectively, and I feel deceptively, to support this tactic of entryism which has clearly not born fruit. Democrat support is dropping along side Trump support. It's clear, and has been clear, by his own analysis, for years, that the Dems are not the opposition party. Because of the way the DNC is structured party loyalists and legacy Democrats have outsized power. If there was ever a time to challenge their position now seems like the moment leading into midterms. Not hitching your wagon for another ride, but actually building a working class party. The pressure can't come from within, that's their home turf, they control all the forces in that space. The pressure has to come from outside. They have to be forced to respond to actual political pressure. I don't think he's going to get what he wants out of this. Preserving capitalism is more important then winning elections.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

I don't know that he has ever admitted to being an ML.

i think it would be fair to describe his average articulated political position to be a non-aligned ML.

Not hitching your wagon for another ride, but actually building a working class party.

but that's what i mean, why do you think the news himbo should be the singular guy to do that? he was in support of a break from the democratic party led by bernie, and bernie is a coward who didn't do it. i don't think it's a fair read or accurate read of his commentary to see him as hitched to the democratic party in a substantive way. are you in a revolutionary org in the u.s., are you familiar with how ignorant and completely unconscious almost every single person here is? he's doing political commentary in a country that is still predominantly obsessed with VOTEing as the end all be all of political action - what would be the benefit of not covering it? again, i'm not without my own criticisms of the guy, i just don't understand what yours actually is. do you think he has a communism button that he's not pressing?

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[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't think he is hiding his power level. However he has to pay the blue tax to stay where he is and it is good to have a leftist in good standing in front of the twitch audience. You gotta let him have some of these

[–] oculi@anarchist.nexus 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I always got vaguely radical demsoc vibes from him, and him picking individual parts from Lenin's works without being a ML or actually understanding the context (working class party) is just dishonest. Like I'm an anarchist but even I see how that's bullshit.

Supporting Graham Platner was the biggest low for him probably, what little sympathy / had for the guy just evaporated after that, it's disgusting.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He quotes Lenin all the time over various contexts, more often correctly than not

He also trashed Platner in no uncertain terms and hasn't advocated for him since

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