everytime WE get into a car with our friends we ALWAYS read the privacy policy aloud to them right guys

This kind of shit is what makes me not want an EV, that and I guess the ease of repair but that could change with proper regulation and resources. I'm all for EVs but my current relatively effecient ICE car doesn't spy on me and that's important as well.

This is the US courts, there absolutely is a chance the soul less mega corporation's arguments get validated by the courts. Trial courts probably not, but on appeal? The federalist society runs the courts, they have a veto on every decision, and they were chosen to side with big money and entrenched interests.

iirc this got removed shortly after it got attention

This is reminding me of a talk I had with a mechanic friend in the early 1990s, when integrated electronics started showing up in basic functions of a lot of new cars. People like him, who didn't know crap about computers but were really good at the mechanical concerns when cars were pretty much mechanical devices - fuel goes in here, controlled explosions in that box there turn other things which make wheels go, and a bunch of cords and plumbing to connect it all up and levers and gears to direct the mechanical energy - were having to confront what to do when that mysterious circuit board began to need work.

This talk happened when I was visiting to set up a new cassette-based telephone answering machine for his auto workshop's office and tutor him in its use, because he was that hopeless with electronics.

I hate the world they’re forcing us to consent to live in.

It's safe to assume that it only got worse

I love the spirit! I think about open sourcing vehicles all the time, but unfortunately I think the biggest hurdle might be in what constitutes a street-legal vehicle.

Even though there's lots of dangerous problems with closed source cars, I'm pretty sure there's some litany of safety / engineering standards that manufacturers have to meet, as well as passing "smog tests" in many places. (EVs still on the table tho...?)

So, an open source vehicle would be more transparent, which would be a huge win! But also if it was a community initiative like say, RepRap, I imagine there'd be a lot of red tape with user-designed or hypothetically 3D printed cars or somesuch, especially when it comes to safety standards.

The biggest worries I'd have would be how much interest such projects would get from safety engineers and other pros who know how to make the thing not kill the user.

Am I way off? I'd love to hear I'm wrong and there's plenty of hope for this to be a thing. I really hate modern car manufacturers. They all suck. Their proprietary lock-in and user-hostile attitude sucks. We need better. :)

I would assume an open source e-bike would probably be the place to start.

State sponsored surveillance Flock cameras photographed the chat.

Each time you charge in public they know exactly who are you and what car it is.

because they designed it that way. it doesn't need to be designed that way.

and there's no reason you couldn't pay for charging your car in cash just like with a gas pump

There's always plugshare - charge at a random person's house

How?

Serious question, what is the best solution to this? My household has three cars, the newest is from 2008. It makes me nervous as to what to do if I wanted a "new" car (I'd never buy an actual new car, just new to me and made in the last ten years).

The first one before they started introducing smart features.

Ding ding. Airgaps get broken when you bring it to the dealer, they plug it in, and it downloads and uploads all your data.

You gotta neuter the sensors

Some cars used 3G cellular connections, which is no longer active in most countries.

The only countries with active networks are Croatia, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy, Slovenia, and South Korea.

Via: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G#Phase-out