I don't understand people who do NOT want to work! Sure, it's nice being home having nothing to do for a few days, but then what? I start feeling bored and useless and I want to contribute and feel useful again.
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When people do retire, something like this usually happens. Either they solve it by joining into so many activities and hobbies they're actually busier than before, they end up finding another job for the hell of it, or they decline into misery.
Doing nothing is like a covid lockdown that never ends, basically.
Okay, you do you.
There's ways the do all that without working a job?
And who said No Work = No Thing?
Volunteering, Arts, Hobbies, Crafts, Socialisation
And Jesus, you're going to be depressed when you're forced to retire, with no friends outside of work and no hobbies
Yeah, avocation and vocation can both fill that hole. It is a hole that most people need filled, though.
The other way to look at it is what are hobbies and volunteering but work in of themselves? Human existence involves work, but every human should be able to find work that they can enjoy (or at least not actively hate)
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Yeah I think I went a bit too hard on it
So here's the thing, many people hate their jobs and just work them because they don't really see any other option than to keep working the job they hate, but also plenty of people really enjoy their jobs. Depending on your interests you might have to get a little creative or try something you'd never thought about or something you've never heard of
If you enjoy problem solving (a very common human trait), there's some lucrative corporate careers out there in things like project management, asset management or even just straight management. If you just want to zone out and listen to podcasts and audiobooks all day there's tons of machine operator jobs that will absolutely fill that role (and often in small towns with very low costs of living as an added bonus) if you want to just get paid go hike there's jobs to be had in surveying and land management. If you like working with animals the ag sector has you covered, and if you like working with your hands there's always tons of jobs in trades. If you like helping people there's the healthcare sector and if that's too much blood there's always medical coding or outside of the healthcare sector there's tons of banks out there looking for loan officers who will talk to people and fill in the blanks on the forms. Sales is also very lucrative and very cushy if you can get into B2B sales. There's tons of jobs that exist and every job is different, so there's bound to be one out there that scratches an itch for you and you can enjoy (or at least not actively hate)
And this is all assuming you want to work for someone else, you can always start something on the side while keeping another job that pays the bills, or if you have a supportive partner who's willing to cover the bills while you take you shot at a business. Go start a hardwood furniture business, or find an obscure thing that nobody makes anymore and start making those. Go create an event that people can buy tickets to attend. Open a bar or a store or a pilates studio! Buy an old building on some unfarmable land and create a winery or fish farm or wedding venue! Sell pancakes out of your garage! Paint murals for people! Grow mushrooms to sell at the farmers market! Start a commune or a bus tour company or a bike taxi! Is it hard? Absolutely. Will there be roadblocks and challenges to overcome? Indubitably! But overcoming these challenges is fulfilling in itself and plenty of people start businesses successful enough for them to retire off of (or at least successful enough to sell to someone else who can make it successful enough to retire off of)
Don't let the fake world of earning money fuck you up. People want to move and dance and do great things naturally. Most need money to eat and stay warm though and those two things are rarely aligned. If you were a multi-trillionaire would you just want to lay on the beach all day doing nothing?
Due to an inheritance of barely-enough money, I got to retire at age 55. I might need to go back to work in a few years, I don't know yet. But, I've very much enjoyed doing practically nothing even though I'd like to have enough to travel, etc. which I don't. I do miss the collaboration on solving problems, but I don't miss the raft of other bullshit "office politics" that goes along with that. The one does not make up for the other, not even close. Neither do I miss putting aside my occasional moral misgivings about a project in exchange for money. Nor do I miss watching the boss/owner make obviously stupid decisions and then watching the fallout, after not listening to me or anyone else.
Finding a perfect job is not going to happen for the vast majority of us. We make do with what we can get, and often that causes long-term stress that is unhealthy.
What desire I have to "be useful" or "contribute" and the pleasure I sometimes got from a job well done pales in comparison to the daily stress of working. Even low-level long-term stress takes a big toll over time. And, none of us are compensated nearly enough in money or time off to mitigate that.
People want to work, and want to contribute and collaborate, and feel useful. But, the work society we've allowed to be set up for us is not for that. It's for wringing every last second of useful to-the-rich effort out of us, while compensating us at the minimum level we'll accept without chopping their heads off, with the rest going to them. Generation after generation for the past 80 years, they've been compensating us less and demanding more. Now we're close to being virtually enslaved, owning nothing and working to barely survive, assuming we're healthy enough to do so, otherwise being discarded.
FWIW maybe an office job isnβt for everyone. Some people need different challenges and changes of scenery. Some of those jobs may be a bit more blue collar. Things like survey teams, equipment operators, trades, etc. Probably union gigs, too. I couldnβt handle office politics or being trapped either.
People don't want to work. They want to live and pay for shit. Work is the only way for people that weren't born rich to get money. Well, either that or crimes, but some crimes can be seen as illegal work.
Most people don't want to feel useless, so if you cut their access to cheap dopamine (phones with internet, social media) they might seek out some work out of boredom.
What really sucks is that society expects us to be "specialists" in one thing for the rest of our lives, as if we are fucking ant drones or gears in a complex machine. It's great for economists and the rich and awful for our individual wellbeing, though some people do enjoy doing the same thing over and over for very long periods of time.
Well, either that or crimes, but some crimes can be seen as illegal work
Human existence requires work. Someone has to grow the food, someone has to fix the things, someone has to build the structures and plumb them and someone has to help fix us when we get broken. The only way to never work is to freeload off of everyone who is working.
What really sucks is that society expects us to be βspecialistsβ in one thing for the rest of our live
Specialization is literally how humanity shifted from being hunter-gatherers who lived to be about 30-40 before getting mauled by a bear or killed by another tribe or dying of an infection because you slipped on a rock.
In the modern economy specialization doesn't have to mean doing the same thing every day. Any kind of career where you fix things, you can easily find a job that varies wildly from day to day. A mechanic might be replacing an engine cylinder one day and rebalancing wheels the next and rebuilding the exhaust the next. An IT person can be troubleshooting a software error one day then tweaking network performance the next then imaging laptops the next. A project manager will have different work depending on what phase of the project it's in, and the type of challenges and work will vary wildly by what kinds of projects they're managing
The trick is, find something you don't mind doing and that can turn into finding something you kinda enjoy. As long as you don't wake up dreading work every day (which if you do it's probably time to shake things up, both for yourself and for your loved ones!) you can have a pretty decent life
Itβs either work or twerk and i aint got that kind of body
If your really worried about working do your best to find a work place that is fun rather than a workplace that maximizes your income. Assuming you have interests try and find a job that plays to those interests and it helps to feel like your actually helping people rather than being another cog in the machine.
The unicorn job.
Problem is there's a ton of interests with jobs that just don't exist really anymore or those jobs pay the absolute bare minimum. Like my main interest/hobby is film and writing my thoughts about every single one I watch (along with videogames, but film is easier for me cause it requires a lot less from me). I don't have any interest in making a movie and becoming a paid critic nowadays is near impossible with how flooded the market is with hundreds of thousands of people doing it for free in their spare time. I could work in a movie theater or something similar, but then I'm back to making state minimum wage instead the almost double that I'm currently making.
I could work in a movie theater or something similar, but then Iβm back to making state minimum wage instead the almost double that Iβm currently making.
You could own a theatre. You could also create a local film festival, even if that means just booking the community room at the library and screening public domain silent films to start with. Or if you want to make a job out of it, maybe you can snag the screening rights to some indie/deep backlog films and do a traveling film festival, maybe setting up in small towns where there isn't already a ton going on where you could also get the venue for cheap.
There's also companies popping up that have bought the rights to reprint deep back catalogue films. Like I recently heard about one that buys the rights to reprint B movies from the 70s and 80s on VHS, so apparently there is a market for that kind of thing too!
I grew up on a subsistence farm. Everyone always worked. Every single day of the year. Some days were very long, some were short depending on what needed to be done. To survive. Of course we had fun and time off as well. It's about balance. Most people don't have to do back to the land subsistence living anymore because they substituted living in cities and taking paying jobs to buy what they need. No matter the path, you still have to do some sort of work to live. You can choose which path to some extent. There are small farms looking for people to come work for them in exchange for room and board.
Good workplaces are like the after-school extracurricular classes, you go because you're interested, it's fun to problem-solve with people.
I have to be regularly told to go home at the end of the day.
How long have you worked there?
How long have they been in business?
Is the business stable and well-ran? Do you even know?
Finally a positive answer! I completely agree, I enjoy working with competent people, solve issues, and improve myself. Extend my knowledge and experience, try out new stuff and help other people get better.
I absolutely despise work. If there was any way to survive while living alone in a studio apartment or trailer home without having to go to a job I'd do it in a heartbeat. I work a much better job now than I was from 2014-2025, but that's only cause the pay is better and I listen to podcasts all day instead of being forced to interact with people. I still feel my soul being drained when I wake up at 3 AM and have to drag myself there just to do some B's I'd rather not do, but I don't have any other choice given I can't find anything that will pay better without experience or wasting years on a piece of paper.
I absolutely despise work. If there was any way to survive while living alone in a studio apartment or trailer home without having to go to a job I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Have you tried being rich?
When you ask a question like this in a place like this, understand that you're going to be getting replies from people who have jobs where you can sit around and be bored on the internet
Or sad, unemployed people.
There are many reasons. One is just wanting to know your contributing. Sorta goes with the good days work for a good days pay. Although given pay nowadays is more of a reason not to work. Then there is doing things you are interested in and enjoy. I worked IT for a cs research visualization lab that did a fair amount of networking and colloboration with other labs and fields. It was amazing. Worked at another place were I was hired by a guy and I enjoyed working under him and with the people at the company. Man he left and the job lost a lot of what made it decent. Other places I worked had some good folks and you combine that with my general interest in problem solving the whole contributing thing and its not bad. Granted though I really hate the way we from full time education to full time employment to nothing (if your lucky). would love a citizens income and a more 3 day work week so that the general idea is at some point to work and go to school 3 days a week each and then you fnd someone and have kids you can split it to someone is at home everyday and when they are grown you maybe can grab more educations and it would be nice for the 30 to ramp down as you approach retirment.
I mean, isn't school a bit like that?
Not exactly. I get OP's point. I'm 25 so I've experienced both, and they weren't the same for me.
School is more about the experience and the journey than the results, or at least that's what it feels like. It's the place where you get to spend time and joke around with your friends while developing knowledge together. Your teachers form genuine connections with you, and most of them do care about your well-being and development. If you're lucky, you get to have a mini party on your ride home with fellow students singing and dancing on the school bus. You get to go on fun outings and field trips. You're ultimately responsible for no one but yourself, and every day yoy learn something new.
With work, there's a very hostile environment. Everyone has a huge ego problem, your boss makes it clear that they're not your friend, you're forced to collaborate and be friendly to your colleagues even though you may not like some. You can't just decide to take a day off because clients and colleagues are depending on you. It can be monotonous and stressful. Your only social activities are probably icebreakers or eating out on a day that's supposed to be relaxing (like Christmas holidays and whenever you're nearby). You have other responsibilities when you get home as well, which aren't a sports club or music lessons but chores and admin stuff.
I know not everyone's experience is the same. For some, school is where they met their worst bully and had a miserable time whereas work was where they met their best friend and had fun. This is just me explaining why I relate to OP in our view of school vs work.
School didn't even feel obligatory for me, it was just a planned fun day. I enjoyed most of it: the teachers, the students, the timings, the duties. I even enjoyed some of the homework (and I hate the idea of homework)! There were little tasks that seemed exciting like taking the attendance to the administration's office, going around picking up each class's donations and consent forms, decorating the classroom door for the Christmas competition, getting the keys for the teacher from their staffroom, going next door to borrow a marker, doing group presentations, and being my turn to read the class book, and so on. Work usually lacks these little everyday tasks and just focuses on earning the company money and being professional. It kills joy and personality.
Yeah, YMMV, I guess. When I was in school I took it deadly serious. It definitely took energy, and it definitely was 5 days a week.
Place and purpose baby! Working for someone/being exploited sucks shit, sure, but doing stuff is awesome. What else are you gonna do?
This, and working with a team, and working towards the public good. Building successful teams, improving processes, implementing efficient and sustainable systems - all good fun to achieve.
That said these take weeks and months to accomplish where I work. Iβd love to be a chef where the results of my labour was more β¦ immediate.
We like to be useful. Pitching in and doing our share and making/doing things for other people who do the same for us feels good. Its a large part of what got us here and not living in caves dying of infection.
Recently its become perverted though. There's not enough satisfaction from being a useful member of society, and too much of the guys above you shouting "more! Faster! Better! I can replace you so easily!"
I can only speak for myself, but I enjoy having a regular supply of interesting problems to solve, and the daily routine keeps me grounded.
This is human nature. The "antiwork" crowd isn't actually against work, but against the exploitative system of how work is executed under capitalism. We all like solving problems and knowing what tomorrow holds for us. If you woke up tomorrow and had absurd "fuck you" money, you'd retire from your job, but you'd still work on things.
Over the years, I've learned the sense of accomplishment and pride that comes from fixing a thing, replacing a broken/old/inferior thing, installing a thing, etc. I was never particularly handy. I don't much enjoy the process itself, but the visible and quantifiable and tangible product of my labor and time are so much more fulfilling to me than the fraction of a fraction of an impact to a billionaire's bottom line, given in exchange for being allowed to have shelter and food.
And really, some jobs are fairly enjoyable too. My wife truly enjoys her job most days, and a lot of that enjoyment comes from her job being less serious. She clocks in, performs tasks in a way that meets expectations while joking with co-workers for a few hours, and clocks out. It's not all soul crushing, but it's easier to stomach when it's <30 hours per week.
Eh, a significant portion of the anti work crowd does seem to think communism is when no ditch digging. This is why communism really requires specific material conditions, because as long as tedious, dangerous jobs exist, there will always be degrees of worker alienation, no matter how much effort the state puts into propaganda which attempts to convince them otherwise.
Its a fuckin nightmare, but gotta eat
Important distinction between "working" and "having a job". You do a job for someone else. You should always be working for yourself. Labor for ones own ends in enjoyable. Labor for someone else is a means to an end. Recognize it is something to balance and balance it the best you can for the life you want to have.
Allow me to come at this from the other side.
I can't work. My body gave out, and even though the shit show that is disability income keeps me below the poverty line, I'm essentially useless at any job that requires me being upright. So, I'm stuck there.
But if I could go back to work, I would.
I'd want to be picky at this point, but there's a lot to be said about having structure and an external purpose (as opposed to finding one within yourself, which is still possible while working, just not necessary).
Since my job was at least emotionally and mentally fulfilling, I do miss the actual work ad well. I mean, fuck the industry and the actual available employers, but doing direct patient care was fucking awesome, even when it was stressful or painful (be it physical or mental pain).
The pay sucked. Bad enough that even working full time, I technically have a higher income now than when my hourly rate was at its highest back then. But going in, helping someone, that was the shit right there.
I could have gladly done the hands on work for forty years. Even though most days I was exhausted at the end of the day. If you're lucky enough to have a job that fulfills you, the only problem is when you can't take breaks from it, or when the broken system means you can't make a real living doing it.
I recently had a loved one have a major medical event. During the aftermath, I had plenty of chances to use my old skills, and it was one of the few bright points that got me through the fear and stress of it. There was still that old joy at really, truly helping someone get better, to have a less bad day at the very least.
But, legit, there's other things I could gladly make a job of if I were both physically capable and could make enough for it the be worthwhile.
What sucks for what you're asking is having to work just for survival ata job that isn't fulfilling.
That being said, I've known a ton of people that were quite happy being a cog in the machine as long as the pay was enough to let them live how they wanted.
Besides, you don't have to plug away at the same blah job the entire time. It's entirely possible to not only switch jobs, but move into different industries. Like, one of my uncles over his almost sixty years of working was a prison guard, a foundry worker, a school custodian, a woodworking instructor at a high school, and a mill worker. When he'd get tired of something, he'd just start looking for something with similar pay (or better) and jump ship. He bitches about being bored now that he's retired.
Find something you genuinely enjoy doing.
Also, having moneyz is nice.
The question is, what else would you be doing with your time?
because they have to, else they starve to death.
they are gonna make you hate being unemployed and long for a job by simply making you live with material scarcity if you don't.
He who does not work, neither shall he eat
Most people want to feel productive. Forty hours is too much but almost nobody wants to only sit on the bank that is depressing in the long run.
I don't want to work in order to survive but I want to be productive and keep my mind and body sharp while also contributing to the community. I like my job and while it seems mundane, it keeps me busy, gives me routine, gives my brain problems to solve, and is sometimes the most socializing I get. I just hate that I have to be afraid to lose my job or end up hungry or homeless because of it.
I just hate that I have to be afraid to lose my job or end up hungry or homeless because of it.
it's not an accident that you've come to see it this way; controlled dissent and manufactured fear are effective ways at keeping a population under control.
There are two layers in this question.
In the literal sense, they want to work because it does something for them. For some, work is means to an end. They want to do X but they can't survive on profits from doing X so they spend some time working to do the thing that they feel actually adds meaning to their life.
The other layer of this is the fear you are experiencing because you are staring into an abstract void. 'Work' can mean many, many different things. Quick peek at your Lemmy history says you have some interest in books. What if it was your 'work' to spend hours each day getting paid to read books, as an audio book reader, a literary editor, or something similar? What if it was your 'work' to spend hours each day being paid to write books as an author, or a journalist? Work can be hellish if you end up doing something you hate, for and with people you hate, to produce something you feel is making the world a worse place to live. It can also be a process of going somewhere pleasant, to do things you enjoy, with and for people you like, to produce something that you feel makes the world a better place. Work is just the label on the box. It doesn't tell you much about what's inside.