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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 26 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

It’s going to take some time to change the entire system. Remember that up until recently, while not super ideal, we still thought that the US, at the end of the day, was our allies. It’s easy to sit and be a captain hindsight, but until recently, it was the smartest thing to keep things as they were, as to not put extra financial strain on everybody. Now we have no choice and I for one am very happy that we are making the move to separating ourselves from America because I have hated the US since Bush and always felt they had too much influence over on us in Europe.

At the same time, I’m not gonna sit and piss and moan about all the American tech we still use or when European countries honor weapons deals they made before America went insane. Change is slow, frustratingly slow, but we are moving. It is happening. It’s just not gonna happen over night to appease impatient people who have no idea how big of an ask it is to have all European systems switch to open source. That is going to take years and a lot of money, but it is happening. My government has already had an entire department switch to Linux to test it and I believe that they will continue to make changes in that direction as the years pass.

But sure, one can also bitch about the current state of things not being perfect and up to your personal standard. Thats also a strategy.

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 20 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

America isn't the reason I don't use Google Play Services... Google is the reason for that specific choice for me.

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

In my world it’s the same thing, but I get what you mean. I have an android phone and the only reason I haven’t switched to something else yet is because it’s a relatively new phone (bought it in 2022) and I’m the type to keep my phone until it dies of old age or it breaks beyond repair. Until this one croaks, I’ll be stuck with android for awhile, but good on you for switching.

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Sadly I'm not completely switched away yet, I'm doing the best I can with the sacrifices I'm willing to make and accepting what I can't. I run GOS on a pixel, it has GPS but severely locked down, most apps get denied the network permission and pretty much nothing has access to any data outside of limited storage scopes or the minimum contacts (i.e. Android Auto can only see two contacts in my phone and can't see any SMS/messaging).

Beyond that I do the usual Google replacements (Nextcloud for files/seedvault backups, immich for photo backups, CoMaps instead of Google Maps, etc).

I yern for the day I can have an old flip phone with a hotspot built in for a few apps on other devices (or bt tethering).

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I mean, I'm a tech retard, but it does sound to me that you're doing your best and no one can ask anymore or you or anyone else who has started their journey away from American tech and influence.

I, myself have made some the low-tech changes such as gtfo'ing all the mainstream social media platforms and boycotting streaming of all kinds (even European ones, but that's more because I find streaming to be peak depravity when it comes to modern day consumerism) and I have stopped using American search engines and browsers (with the occasional exception of DuckDuckGo). Besides that I don't buy American products at the store if I can avoid it. I know it's not gonna affect America in any way that I no longer buy raisins from California, but to me it's a matter of principle, and while they won't feel it, local competitors definitely will. There's a cola brand in my country that has absolutely exploded in popularity since Trump threatened to annex Greenland. This brand had such a big demand that they ran out of indregients for production and had to upscale.

This has become part of my joy and excitement for the future, because it's not really about hurting America, it's about building up Europe and nothing motivates me more than to realize that my shopping priorities and me joining communities like Lemmy and switching to Ecosia etc is me supporting alternative that will give a voice and/or financial growth to people who actually deserve it.

But yeah, I think you're doing a good job with the initiatives you've been taking. It's inspiring to me! And oh man, what I would give for a good old button phone xD I was planning on getting one of those after my current phone dies, but my spouse made some very good arguments for why I will need a smartphone in the future so I'll have to figure out how the hell I'm gonna do that once my phone dies. Because there are plenty of European alternatives, but I run into the same issues as the picture posted above haha. There are alternatives, but those are made to accommodate the elderly generations in my country and as my spouse said: once they die off, these low tech alternatives will be phased out too and we will all be expected to use smartphones for everything. 🤪

We all do our best to navigate this tech-jungle. I can't poopoo anyone doing their best and having to use American tech or services here and there. It's hard to fully escape it right now, but it will become easier in the future! ❤️

[–] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, breaking the dependency on cloud providers is already extremely hard. But breaking the dependency on mobile OSes is going to be dramatically harder. What good is digital sovereignty if all users are still tied to American products to access those systems?

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 3 points 7 hours ago

I am not just talking about cloud providers. I am talking about all American tech. The whole thing. That’s why it won’t happen over night, but it will happen and is already happening. That’s why Peter Thiel is out there having his weird little religious psychosis and claiming that Europe will fall if we don’t stay with America. He’s scared. He and Trump squeezed too hard on the Greenland issue, thought too highly of their status and power and now they will have to witness the consequences of threatening your own allies over and over. It is done and they know it and now they are scrambling, but the only tactic they know is threats so fneh.

I am very confident that we will see a new tech boom in Europe that will fill in where American tech used to be. So while a lot of things are terrible right now and America seemingly is desperate to self sabotage because success got boring or whatever, I am genuinely excited for the future of Europe. It’s not going to be easy or painless, but we are moving in the right direction in many areas and I see all the bad waves of far right ideologies as a phase. It may take decades, who knows, but Europe is moving in the right direction and I have never been more proud to be one than I currently am.

America will also come to its senses when trump and his morons have been kicked out of power, but the damage done to that nation will be felt for decades to come. I think that when I’m a senile old lady, America will still be dealing with the consequences of electing trump in the 2020s. That’s what I think.

[–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Change only happens as a result of bitching.

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 2 points 7 hours ago

Depends on the kind of bitching, but yeah. I don’t think our European leaders aren’t aware nor unwilling to make the changes. They very much are. It’s just taking a long time and terminally online people don’t really understand that because they have gotten too used to getting everything immediately.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 46 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Really need to forward these arguments to MEPs, especially the technology committee. The developers on the repo seem like random contractors.

[–] thymos@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 hour ago

Someone like @kimvsparrentak@eupolicy.social maybe? I don't know if she's a member of the technology committee, but she does work on tech issues.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 8 hours ago

The almost-monopolist who wants to step up their gatekeeping game, while the EU is distracted with Apple.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 36 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

please consider

More like 'you must'

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I absolutely hate this phrasing. Thanks, I considered it and determined that I won't do that. Now what?

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 hours ago

at best, you get to speak to an AI chatbot

[–] claimsou@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

The EU apps are all very poor. The alien invasive species reporting app is a nightmare on iPhone. It can’t be used at all.

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[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 129 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Got my new licence plate online a couple weeks ago, here in Germany. Two options to pay: PayPal or MasterCard. This is ridiculous.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 67 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Why tf is a government entity using paypal??

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Because everybody here uses paypal for online payments. Because banks and governments have failed to create a viable alternative. WERO is coming tho. One day. About 20 years after we needed it. soon. still waiting.

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 1 points 9 hours ago

Sweden uses the domestic Swish, works much better than paypal. There are most definitely viable alternatives and have been for quite some time now.

[–] Alaknár@piefed.social 43 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Because people use PayPal and the government entity is trying to be helpful.

[–] baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

but what people in Germany really use is cash or a girocard (card attached to your regular checking account).

but yes, european reliance on america is horrible, usually in addition to the girocard functionality on your card, which is usable only in germany, there's also some mastercard or visa functionality in the card, which allows you to use the card at the very least in the SEPA area (single euro payments area, 41 countries are members, visa vpay or mastercard maestro) and in cases where you get the full mastercard or visa on top of your girocard you can of course pay worldwide with a bunch of asterisks.

that means cross-country payments with your card are locked behind america, which is why wero (europe's new digital payment system for use in the SEPA) makes so much sense.

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I wrote them an email asking about Wero and they replied that they'll launch it soon. So let's stay hopeful.

[–] PrinzKasper@feddit.org 3 points 13 hours ago

I mean I'm surprised they're not offering SEPA tbh

[–] Tywele@piefed.social 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Girocard is used less and less because many banks don’t issue girocards free of charge anymore. You only get a debit card for free and have to pay extra to get a girocard.

[–] uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I feel dumb, what's the difference?

[–] baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 hours ago

they're pushing visa and mastercard over germany's own payment system

[–] Outsider9042@lemmy.world 45 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Apps pulling bullshit like this is the biggest challenge for me getting out of the iDroid duopoly

[–] plyth@feddit.org 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Which country does it right and has digital infrastructure without Google?

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 9 hours ago

None, I'm pretty sure. Especially if you include Microsoft and other American companies

And yes, it is a problem. It's something I'm arguing for changing in my country wherever I can

[–] marius@feddit.org 56 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

What is that app used for? Never heard of it

[–] cron@feddit.org 76 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

The play store description says it's an app for multi factor authentication for various EU services. The reviews are pretty desastrous though.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 5 points 11 hours ago

Reviews are openly gamed, and worthless. I suspect that monied interests have paid to give it low scores with their ai firms, actually indians firms.

Because on Anrdoid at least, every app has a near perfect rating, with fake reviews written, and last I checked they didn't even let you start at the worst first. On amazon it's the same except they allow you to go to worst written reviews first as I recall.

It's openly gamed with the assent of these companies, the platform. Like one of my podcast players, leaves a lot to be desired, especially on the search function, and can't find episodes that exist to an incredible extent. They periodically have a pop up where they ask me to review them, Give them 5 stars, a perfect rating, or do it later, there are no other options.

[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

how hard is it to use standard totp, why do they keep coming up with their own non standaed totp like MFA?

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 24 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

To get you to use an app that’s locked to the Google Play store, so they can identify you and your devices and who you interact with regularly with certainly.

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 50 points 23 hours ago (2 children)
[–] user224 49 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

Damn, I got logged out. I'll now be deported to the US within 5 business days.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 33 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Then you will be deported back, ending up in a loop

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[–] glibg10b@lemmy.zip 6 points 15 hours ago

What do you mean you're unable to install it? That screenshot is not what the package installer looks like.

[–] lysol@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I take it microg didn't work either

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Microg only minimizes data sent to Google which is still half as bad.

[–] Tehdastehdas@piefed.social 4 points 14 hours ago

Works on my /e/OS 3.4 .

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