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Info on the top lady & statue: https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/woman-nazi-handbag-sweden-1985/
There was an initiative to erect a life-size bronze version of Arwin’s statue in the city of Växjö, but the project was blocked by local politicians of the Centre Party believing that such a statue might promote violence.
"might promote violence". Good. Violence against Nazis is always morally acceptable and should be encouraged.
I don’t think there is any other way to promote against Nazis. To many people think Tea & Biscuits and a nice chat is the way to go.
No, just no, there should be no fucking tolerance for the intolerant.
If they don’t want to get punched, they can stop being Nazis.
The way they dress--they are totally asking for it.
What are you on about?
The Nazis. If they didn't want to get hit they wouldn't dress so provocatively.
I feel like you are trying to make a comparison. But also trying not to make it because you know it would be a fucking stupid comparison to make.
So like, shit or get off the pot.
My comparison is the skulls and lightning bolts are provocative and attract fists.
It's literally no one's fault.
Tolerating Nazis promotes violence.
It’s called self defence when defending oneself.
Create a 3d printable model of him, and place little statues of him everywhere
When that kid lives a long, happy, and healthy life, let him pick if there's a statue.
She fared poorly, all things considered, and wouldn't want that experience shared on anyone.
To provide context to anyone that wonders about this, the woman with the handbag wasn't proud of the event. She faced harassment for it, and for a while she and her partner lived under police protection. She committed suicide at the age of 41, around 3 years after this photo was taken.
Her son is unhappy with the image being used as propaganda.
That is strange. I knew her grandson, who was very proudly boasting about her and her pure hatred for nazis, and this image. He was himself very vocally anti-nazi, that's how we met.
It's important to note that according to the article her son is not against the expression against nazis themselves, but rather because of the trauma to having to be constantly reminded of having lost his mother at such a young age. Just so that nobody gets the idea that he's even remotely defending nazis or their modern Swedish offspring, the Sweden Democrats (Sverigedemokraterna).
So I listened to the documentary that was sourced as the origin of the quote. I wrote a comment here.
In essence, it doesn't seem like she regretted punching a nazi per se, but that she feared that it'd cause the life she'd worked so hard to build here to fall apart. I'd imagine that I also wouldn't be very fond of seeing an image my mother hated popping up left and right, and being reminded of what she went through because of it, even if it is as a symbol for a cause I align with.
Reading the sources, it primarily sounds like she was embarrassed of looking like an old lady in the photo, and afraid of Nazis striking back at her and her family.
One of the sources is her husband's coworker who said, "Danuta was mentally ill, but she had a solid hatred of Nazis as a Pole. She probably got caught up in the hateful atmosphere that was whipped up against the NRP-demonstrators in Växjö."
I don't care for how that's phrased, both in that he's speculating about her and that he seems to think you need some kind of personal grudge in order to oppose fascism.
If there's a source saying she regretted the action in itself, I missed it.
e: I was mistaken about that quote. It's from the article, but it's not attributed as a direct quote from the coworker. Swedish doesn't always use quotation marks, so I read it as a direct quote mistakenly, but it lacks a dash at the start of the paragraph. Without knowing the original I can't be sure how much the author is paraphrasing or speculating.
I can let you know that there is a lot of white and sane-washing of nazi ideology in Sweden today. The nazi party is literally the largest party in Sweden and could even achieve a majority vote in this fall's elections. Yes, you read that right.
It says that it's from the 2015 documentary. It's linked, but not transcribed. I've not listened to it yet so I can't say either way.
Were it me, I could see myself regretting the general event (händelsen), and the whole thing around it. Don't think I'd regret punching a nazi. They have it coming.
I unfortunately can't listen to it myself, so I just went off the text under it and the Expressen article about it. (I can hear, but my brain doesn't cooperate at listening.) I can't understand why they don't just transcribe the entries.
Right so I got to the point in the documentary where they mention it, it's around 36:50 in.
Vad hände då med Björn och Danuta efter att bilden hade publicerats och det blev väldigt pådrag?
Hon blev ju anmäld för förargtsökande beteende (unsure), och hon hade varit lite ångerfull och orolig, att hon ångrade sig för hon var rädd för att hon skulle få skit för detta. Att det skulle drabba henne på något sätt. Hon ville inte gå ut då, sa han, hon höll sig hemma. Det var väl hon tänkte då att hon var i främmande land, att så gör man inte här.
Off the cuff, rough translation:
What happened with Björn and Danuta after the photograph had been published, and things got out of hand?
A complaint was filed against her, and she became a little regretful and worried, that she regretted (the event) because she was afraid she'd catch shit for it. That it'd negatively affect her in some manner. She didn't want to go outside, he said, she kept to herself at home. She probably thought that she was in a foreign country, that this isn't the way you do things here.
The documentary highlights that initially no one knew who she was. There were rumours published in the news about a 54 year old woman making her way to Sweden from Poland just to attend the demonstration. That she'd previously been in a concentration camp.
It also mentions that she herself was just kind of looking for a new start in Sweden. She worked hard to blend in, and wanted to earn the respect of those around her. It mentions her growing up raised by her grandmother, because her own mother lived with trauma from the nazis and couldn't handle it. How she in turn was traumatised, and it was something she struggled with.
It doesn't strike me that she regretted punching a nazi, but more that she wished it hadn't happened because she feared the fallout, particularly given how hard she'd worked to start a new life. I'd imagine she feared all it collapsing around her. Supposedly the police never published her information, and they never got harassed by anyone, but she and her husband did request and were approved for police protection in the event of potential fallout.
Yeah I was looking for a transcription because I'm not quite in the mood to sit and listen to a documentary right now, but I might tomorrow.
Edit: that article kind of pisses me off. "We don't get money to make our content accessible."
We all pay taxes for that content, including deaf people. They should have equal access to it.
Granted this could be a right-wingers thing. I think they restricted how detailed SVT can report on things because "state owned media would unfairly compete with private media otherwise." Fucking bollocks.
Link to the English version of the same article but I get the sense that it doesn't have the same level of detail as the Swedish version.
She did, but that seems to be unrelated to the statue or the photo.
The dude she was hitting deserved worse.
Seppo Seluska, a militant from the Nordic Realm Party later convicted for the torture and murder of a gay Jew.
Seppo
Oh, he was American?
(says some imaginary Aussie hehe)
Seppo is a typical Finnish name. They have a small but very vocal nazi minority, especially the Finnish immigrants that came to Sweden after the war. Sweden considered them second or even third class citizens (this holds true to some extent even to this day), so they felt the need to be extra nationalistic as a result, and so got sucked up into the racist/nazi organisations of Sweden. Go figure.
Punch A Nazi Day is traditionally held on any day ending in Y
this should be a tradition in every country except the ones that end with a Z
If history repeats and it does Chicago city council (or its school board or whatever institution it goes to first) will vote not to accept a donation of a statue of him on Monday, February 5, 2057.
I.chip into that fundraiser. When this kid turns 21 lets make sure he never has to pay for his own drinks.
Shit with the way things are going we should pay for his drink now.
I'll drink to that! (Or anything really)
My country's congress just observed a minute of silence in honor of a neonazi who participated in a fight with some antifa outside a leftist politician meeting, neglected to go to a doctor even though he'd lost consciousness for a few minutes, and died of his concussion some hours later. We're not erecting any cool statues for a while I think, I hope Chicago does.
Who’s the kid? I’m ootl
He's a school kid that punched another school kid for holding a pro-ice sign at a school protest against ice.
After announcing he was going to hit him, to which the junior nazi said "tHaT's AgAiNsT sChOoL cOdE" and that he'll get in trouble. The gigachad replied "OK" and decked him.
I really think we need to seriously consider "terachad" for this dude
Zettachad
Anyone got a link? I love seeing fascists getting punched.
A kid with more integrity than all of maga combined.
tbf, ICE isn't going to the actual problematic neighborhoods. they're going to schools, colleges, etc. and every one of them are complying under the guise of "it's the law"
Love the message here, but am I the only one stuck on how short the lady's statue's legs look? It's weirding me out. Can see where her coat ends on the photo, and then on the Statue, and I can't ignore it haha.
She appears to be a stocky person in boxy looking clothing. It might be influencing the perspective.
There's some perspective nonsense going on. She's in a crouched, leaning position and we're viewing it from the direction she's leaning instead of the side like in the photo
Its a bronze statue. The artist probably had a small block of bronze and misjudged some when he started carving
Her arms, too!
Yeah, there's a lot wrong with the statue. Considering the sculptor had only the same picture we see to go from, I don't know why it's so off.
Apart from the too short legs, the other three things that stand out most to me are the woman's expression, she's much more determined in the photo. The coat is too long, it should be a jacket. And, finally, the bag should not be ahead of the arm swing, it should trail, just as it does in the photo, because physics.
Arwin
Fuck Naz... gul