this old initiative could help: browsers
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This older initiative can help: Pay cash for everything
this older initiative can help: dont pay
This older still initiative can help: lie down in the forest and become one with the moss.
Right? Why put all these apps with extra trackers on your shit anyway?
This is what I used to do until my bank stopped supporting Zelle on the mobile website.
My bank's website runs fine in my web browser, on my graphene phone. I see no problem here.
GrapheneOS is not a fan of this.
Jeez. They really don't. And, I guess they shouldn't. Their stance is that device certification shouldn't be necessary in the first place which I agree with considering this is not done for computers (don't do this tech bro shitheads).
Grapheneos are also against allowing users root access, which is fine on PCs.
Users with low computer skills shouldn't have root on their PCs either
Are they, or are they against GrapheneOS itself supporting it?
Those are different. GrapheneOS exists to be security-hardened and usually should choose security over utility where there's a conflict.
considering this is not done for computers
It is to some degree, with the TPM. Microsoft Surface laptops come to mind.
Namely,
Having a European version of the Play Integrity which permits people to use insecure products from specific European companies participating in it while disallowing using arbitrary hardware or software is the opposite of a solution. It's more of the same anti-competitive garbage.
Hate to say it but he's probably right.
At this point it's like an unwritten rule of the internet that every GrapheneOS account comment chain will eventually regress into cooker conspiracy theories about other privacy ROM projects. And I still have no idea why Micay has started lumping iodé in with them, because I have been following that project closely for many years and no one there gives a shit about GrapheneOS. As in, they literally do not talk about Graphene (or any other projects, for that matter). They never compare themselves to GrapheneOS, on security or anything else. It's the most bizarre, one-sided internet war.
Because that dude is nuts. He does a disservice to graphene PR anytime he speaks.
The Graphene devs and user base behave like a cult
As much as I enjoy GrapheneOS, when I hit that part of the chain, I close out. I’m tired of hearing how has attacked GrapheneOS. They used to @ everyone in matrix for it asking for backup, which is why I’m not in their rooms now.
And I still have no idea why Micay has started lumping iodé in with them, because I have been following that project closely for many years and no one there gives a shit about GrapheneOS.
I don't know, but it seems to me that you might have a rather good guess as to why right there.
As in, they literally do not talk about Graphene (or any other projects, for that matter).
???????????????
It's quite common for people to feel hurt when they feel ignored.
Oh sorry, I think I misunderstood you initially.
I'm baffled. It's almost as though they're missing the point of attestation: which is to give "assurance" to application developers/companies that their applications run in "a certain way".
"A certain way" can have many interpretations, but Googles interpretation means:
- No root
- No custom firmware
- When a users "shares their contacts" with your app, your app gets all their contacts - free from being censored or modified.
- When a user "shares their files" with your app, your apps gets access to **all their personal data ** - free from being censored, modified or sandboxed.
iodéOS will have their own definition of what "a certain way" is. Which will probably be identical to Google definition.
Heck, GrapheneOS' attestation has it's own definition of a "certain way" applications run:
- No root
I know this, because I run Graphene and I run it rooted. I sign my rooted Graphene with keys, that only I carry and I have my phone setup to only allow OS updates with only my keys.
It does not and will not pass Graphene's attestation, although from my perspective - it meets my security requirements while give me control over my data.
This discussion has nothing with security patches, but everything to do with the accuracy and how much information developers and companies can get off our devices.
Yeah whatever. They are their own bubble.
They're not wrong though
They are if banks don’t allow their apps to be functional on grapheneos.
I have never had an issue with banking apps so long as exploit compatibility mode is enabled for them.
Open source DRM is still DRM
I appreciate the effort but my banking apps still rely on 2FA through SMS. They aren't interested in implementing a technology that is more secure or even one that is different than what they have already, especially for a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of their user base.
I appreciate the effort but my banking apps still rely on 2FA through SMS.
And you trust them with your money!?!
Fair point but I am not going to do all my shopping exclusively out of catalogs and mail in my payment with cash.
Its a shitty situation but short of government regulation (ha) nothing is going to change.
Are there no other banks in your area?...
Yes and as far as I can tell, they all have that as their system. Also the changing of the password every quarter which has proven to actually decrease password security and increase password reuse.
I should say, if anyone knows a bank with proper modern online security protocols I am willing to listen.
Revolut
I should say, if anyone knows a bank with proper modern online security protocols I am willing to listen.
I'm personally quite fond of Wise.
All the big banks I use don't do anything ither than SMS, they're lazy AF. This is where regulation should force security in spite of development cost
All the big banks I use don’t do anything ither than SMS, they’re lazy AF.
That's truly mind-blowing, and fraud must be rampant! I have accounts in several different banks in several different countries, both inside and outside of the EU, and I have never ever encountered a bank that would rely on SMS "authentication" for security, not even in the distant past when online banking was new.
Most large banks in my country still support 2FA via SMS, and it was a popular authentication method in the past. At least, in recent years, they are switching to Smart OTP, biometric authentication, etc., like with my bank, they switched to Smart OTP in around 2024. The government forced biometric authentication for all large money transfer transactions in 2024–2025.
However, it's too late to stop scammers from scamming victims using the data they get.
I have accounts in several different banks in several different countries [...] and I have never ever encountered a bank that would rely on SMS "authentication" for security.
That's truly mind-blowing to me.
[...] fraud must be rampant!
You are right.
Seriously, this shit should be illegal already