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forocoches

joder...i thought that forocoches was always a hidey-hole filled with reactionaries since the beginning, i mean, it was supposed to be a forum about cars, but it works like some weird iberic something awful

the latin internet crawling with reactionaries is mostly latam stuck in 2016's 4chan with the dank memes and pepe the frog, bc we're always copying the gringos

Wtf can one do to remedy the situation? Persuade people, open instances…?

Well, this is a very difficult question because answers vary for every spanish speaking country. We can try everything that is within our reach and tailor it for a specific countries.

In Mexico, I have seen that plenty of people that have left tendencies get their news or information from Telegram channels(I found plenty of my compatriots in Cuban and Venezuelan channels), mild left wing news channels, Telesur, Sputnik, RT(AhiLesVa! is one big example), HispanTv and even Facebook(MicheloCensurado, Diego Ruzzarin, Fidelista por Siempre)! However, that doesn't automatically translate to participation in forums. However, they might just be lurkers in X, Facebook or Reddit. It is a similar case to the Gusano Right wing Venezuelans heavy presence on social media and the Internet while the socialists and communal Venezuelans don't appear as often or are just shadow banned. Same case for the Cubans.

Now, with that scenario, there comes the biggest problem. Lots of forums and places like X/Reddit/more are heavily astroturfed and heavily funded by the imperialists through the Miami Fascists and Spanish fascists. This strong control makes it easy for people to fall into right wing media and right wing forums as the ones that you described.

yes, this happens everywhere! it became even more prominent when the troll farms began to flood popular social media sites (facebook, ig, yt, tiktok, etc). prime examples are cerimedo w bolsonaro's election, and later on cerimedo w milei.

the mythical leftist spaces move from site to site when there's censorship or shadowbans. or they create their own subreddits like a few that I know. but yeah, i also found lemmygrad this year and am glad it exists. saludos, compa.

Not all @Rogelio_Marciano@lemmygrad.ml

https://tardigram.com/ 🥰

@Rogelio_Marciano@lemmygrad.ml

First of all, congratulations on the article. It says many things, and they're very true, even if they upset the vast majority. It's almost a reflection of reality, with slight variations, but it's the truth.

Secondly, we should all be glad to read that someone is writing about Spain or Spaniards. It's not very common, and it's not very usual for us to be seen as having a certain prominence from the outside, whether for better or for worse. The ego and pride of being Spanish, as some might think, is still quite strong and burdensome in certain aspects, but it motivates them a lot.

The sad thing about all this, as you so rightly point out, is that if this monopoly, this right-wing argument about how any Spaniard is and how they should be, were to disappear overnight, many could die, just like that. The simple fact that any individual—which essentially means all of us—wouldn't say what they shouldn't do, what they should do, and how they should feel as Spaniards would be a huge problem.

For example? Well, the most mythical phrase that someone once uttered aloud, summarizing the anti-fascist sentiment to the extreme, was something like, "Death to intelligence!" That said it all and more. For the traditional establishment, for the inherited establishment, for the monarchical establishment, for the entrenched and typical right wing, the very idea of ​​thinking or defining oneself as thinking is an insult and a huge problem, just to conceive of having to consider more than one point of action, of moving forward, proceeding, or accomplishing. For them, there is only one way, one, and that's it.

Finally, nothing to remind you of the proud Iberian: someone in shorts, with suspenders, with an enormous, white chest, but always with a toothpick in his mouth, who, shouting and beating his chest, will tell you that he knows very well who he is, what he is, and why he is.

And this text would never occur to any self-proclaimed fascist Spaniard to be translated into any other language. They should learn to read and understand Spanish if they truly want to know Spain and its people, but obviously we'll make an exception because not all of us are like that.

Best regards.

Primero de todo felicitar por el artículo, dice muchas cosas y muy ciertas aunque moleste a la gran mayoría pero es así casi una copia de la realidad, matices mas o matices menos pero una verdad.

En segundo paso alegrarnos todos de leer que alguien escribe algo de España o de españoles, no es muy común y no es muy habitual que nos leamos como con cierto protagonismo desde fuera, sea para bien o para mal pues el ego orgullo de español como algunos podrán pensar es todavía bastante largo pesado es ciertos detalles, pero les motiva mucho.

Lo triste de todo tal como muy bien menciona es que si de un día para otro desaparece este monopolio o este argumento tan derechista de como es y como debe ser cualquier español es que se pueden morir muchos, así tal cual. El simple hecho de que cualquier particular que viene a ser todos entre todos medio no diga lo que no debe hacer, lo que debe hacer y debe sentirse como español sería un enorme problema.

¿Ejemplo? Pues la mas mera mítica frase que en su momento alguien dijo en voz alta y resumiendo al máximo en contra de los fachas algo así como "¡Muera la inteligencia!", con eso decía todo y más. Para el patronato clásico, para el patronato heredero, para el patronato monárquico, para la derecha arraigada y tan típica lo que es pensar o definirse como pensar, es un insulto y un problema enorme, solo de concebir que tiene que considerar mas de un solo punto que hacer, que avanzar, proceder o realizar. Para ellos solo hay una forma, uno y gracias.

Ya para terminar nada hacer recordar como es el humano ibérico orgulloso, alguien en pantalón corto, con tirantes, con enorme pecho en blanco, pero sin falta del palillo en boca, que gritando y pegando golpes en pecho te dirá que sabe muy bien quien es, como es, y por que es.

Y este texto a un buen español facha jamás de los jamases se le ocurrirá traducir a ningún otro idioma ajeno, pues que aprendan a leer y entender español si es que de verdad quieren conocer España y sus españoles, pero obvio haremos excepción porque no todos somos así.

Saludos cordiales.

Lo que debiéramos hacer es comunicarnos más en Español en los lugares que tenemos por así atraer la gente que busca este contenido

Especialmente cuando discutimos tópicos acerca de Latinoamérica

Y si quieren leer los gringos lo que pensamos pues que traduzcan con chatgpt

Para ser sincero yo jamás he visitado ningún foro hispanohablante pues todo lo popular es en inglés. Eché un vistazo a forocoches y no puedo creer que logra tener casi un millón de miembros. O tal vez sí, dado que semejantes foros en inglés tienen 30x más gente como el de stack overflow.

Todos hablamos el inglés en línea incluso cuando no es el idioma nativo del uno ni el otro, como lo es entre tú y yo. Dudo que eso cambiará hasta que latinoamérica (y españa supongo) se independice de la infraestructura de los EEUU porque no hay razón para los creadores reducir sus audiencias con un cambio de lenguaje ya que ganan más dinero de los americanos. No quiero ser un aguafiestas pero si forocoches es el foro más popular en español y ellos ni tienen un millón entonces ¿qué tanto podemos crecer una plataforma comunista? Nuestras comunidades hispanas aquí en lemmygrad son casi vacías…

@Rogelio_Marciano@lemmygrad.ml you should check out tardigram.com. We have recently made 1y online. We found the same problem with the Spanish forums and started our own. We try to make it a healthy community. We federate with mastodon and other activity pub platforms. We have grown up to be one of the biggest mbin instances in number of users and still keep a steady growth.

Come join us! 😆