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[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 199 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Yes, and so can most experienced developers. In fact unmaintainable human-written code is more often caused by organisational dysfunctions than by lack of individual competence.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 97 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In my experience there’s usually a confluence of individual and institutional failures.

It usually goes like this.

  1. hotshot developers is hired at company with crappy software
  2. hotshot dev pitches a complete rewrite that will solve all issues
  3. complete rewrite is rejected
  4. hotshot dev shoehorns a new architecture and trendy dependencies into the old codebase
  5. hotshot new dev leaves
  6. software is more complex, inconsistent, and still crappy
[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

That's one of the failure modes, good orgs would have design and review processes to stop it.

There are other classics like arbitrary deadlines, conflicting and shifting requirements and product direction, perverse incentives, etc.

I would even say that the AI craze is a result of the latter.

[–] PapstJL4U@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Yeah, certain code developed organically (aka shifting demands). Devs know the code gets worse, but either by time or money they don't have the option to review and redo code.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago

Yes. But the important thing is that now disfunctional organizations have access to tools to write unmaintainable code really fast.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 75 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Pretty sure I can, considering I’m still maintaining a project I originally started in 2009, which is a core component of my email service.

[–] inari@piefed.zip 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Please tell me the software patent in that project is copylefted

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The one in Port87 is the only patent I have, and it is not copyleft. I have tons of open source code that I could have patented, including in Nymph, but didn’t. Now that prior art exists and is in the market, those things can’t be patented.

There’s very little reason to seek a patent except to offer the product for sale in the market. It’s wildly time consuming and expensive. Mine cost me about $17k and took me three years to get. And I’m not a big company with mountains of cash and lawyers on the payroll. I patented it so that Microsoft, Google, etc. couldn’t just see my idea and be like, “that’s good, let’s take it”. That would kill my business. Copylefting the patent would allow them to do that.

[–] SpacePirate@feddit.nu 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 55 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I mean, yes, absolutely I can. So can my peers. I've been doing this for a long, long time, as have my peers.

The code we produce is many times more readable and maintainable than anything an LLM can produce today.

That doesn't mean LLMs are useless, and it also doesn't mean that we're irreplaceable. It just means this argument isn't very effective.

If you're comparing an LLM to a Junior developer? Then absolutely. Both produce about the same level of maintainable code.

But for Senior/Principal level engineers? I mean this without any humble bragging at all: but we run circles around LLMs from the optimization and maintainability standpoint, and it's not even close.

This may change in the future, but today it is true (and I use all the latest Claude Code models)

[–] terabyterex@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

sir, this is programmer_humor

[–] SparroHawc@lemmy.zip 15 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The biggest problem with using AI instead of junior developers is that junior developers eventually become senior developers. LLMs .... don't.

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😞 Sir this is a Wendy’s.

[–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 46 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Maybe the real slop was the code we wrote along the way

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[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 39 points 5 days ago (1 children)

When that coworker tells you "hah you must have generated this" but you coded this yourself 👀

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

"You need to try your best" "This was my best...."

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 days ago

No, so let's vibe unmaintainable code together!

[–] Tja@programming.dev 40 points 5 days ago (3 children)

ITT: AI induced dunning-kruger. Everybody can write maintenable code, just somehow it happens that nobody does.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 49 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Most of the unmaintainable code I've seen is because businesses don't appreciate the need to occasionally refactor/rewrite or do anything to maintain code. They only appreciate piling more on. They'd do away with bug fixing too if they could.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

This is why AI coding is being pushed so hard. Guess what’s great at piling on at 30x speed? If piling on is all companies appreciate then that’s what they’ll demand.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago

My company is totally like this. If you don't write a shiny new feature immediately, you don't last.

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[–] Bieren@lemmy.today 16 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Can I, sure. Do I give af since my company doesn’t care about me as anything other than a number in a spreadsheet, no.

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It really depends on the situation. Can I write maintainable code? Yes, to the extent that the average senior dev can.

But that isn’t the same as being afforded the chance to write maintainable code. I’ve been part of teams where the timeline is so tight that technical debt is just a thing that builds up to be dealt with “later” and more stress is put on getting things done instead of keeping things maintainable.

The fact of the matter is that humans can while LLMs currently can’t.

On top of that, a human dev is going to be able to understand context a hell of a lot easier if they’ve previously worked on it, even if the code is less maintainable.

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[–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 43 points 5 days ago

Yes. That's literally the first point in my job description.

[–] Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I might not be the best, but I can still do a better job than AI

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 29 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net 26 points 5 days ago
[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why would you tell on yourself like this?

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

yes. yes I can. been doing it for 25 years.

[–] Carighan@piefed.world 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I could.

I choose not to! Take that, LLM!

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago
[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

More maintainable that whatever shit it put out

Frankly I believe it can be maintainable if the person doing the prompting actually does something and correctly do their role of human reviewing and correcting. Vibe coding without any review is dooming the software maintainability

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 days ago

In my experience, the biggest problem is that maintainable code necessarily requires extending/adapting existing structures rather than just slapping a feature onto the side.

And if we're not just talking boilerplate, then this necessarily requires understanding the existing logic, which problems it solves, and how you can mold it to continue to solve those problems, while also solving the new problem.

For that, you can't just review the code afterwards. You have to do the understanding yourself.
And once you have a clear understanding, it's likely that the actual code change is rather trivial. At least more trivial than trying to convey your precise understanding to an LLM/intern/etc..

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[–] kubica@fedia.io 14 points 5 days ago

This attack must go against the laws of robotics.

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Yes, but only I can maintain it.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 12 points 5 days ago

I can produce NI-slop on my own. I don't need AI to do it for me.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 10 points 5 days ago

I'm ass at coding and I still can, lmao

[–] aMockTie@piefed.world 12 points 5 days ago

I would like to think that I'm capable of writing maintainable code like seemingly everyone else in this thread, and I have multiple code bases that have existed for decades that have included necessary updates over time to reinforce that opinion.

I've also seen some truly unfathomable, Lovecraftian horror code in the wild that has persisted for decades.

Seeing Will Smith's character as a representative of humanity, and Sonny as a representative of LLM/GenAI in that context makes this joke absolutely hilarious.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 11 points 5 days ago

I can maintain any code I write myself, so long as I look at it at least once every month

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun the other guy.

I think most devs here can out-maintainable-code an llm.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] dumnezero@piefed.social 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Whoever upvoted this needs to read some books.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 3 points 4 days ago

What are these books you speak of? Do they have special features?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 4 days ago

10 PRINT 'Hello World!'

20 GOTO 10

EZ

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