That full to the brim mini-shot cup is literally more quantity than a short expresso.
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Meanwhile in America:
I don't understand why anyone goes to Starbucks. I just go to the local coffee houses, and they are awesome.
It's certainly not just a US thing.
I don’t understand why anyone goes to Starbucks
Me neither. I still can't figure out why they burn the fuck out of their beans, or who likes that flavor. Outside of some bottom of the barrel instant shit it's literally the worst coffee I've ever had.
Having lived in multiple of those countries, lets just say that most of those greens aren't anywhere as green as in a few others and even the most green of all (probably the UK) aren't as green as the US.
For a lot of those countries (which have long traditions of good coffee), Startbucks have only a handful of stores in one or two major cities, mostly frequented by tourists since the locals can get better coffee from local coffee places and its way cheaper.
(Were I am now, Portugal, there's a coffee place just about in every corner in any city, plus restaurants, all serving perfect expressos from Italian made expresso machines, with the most expensive cup in a place like Lisbon costing about €1.20)
You're seriously deceiving yourself if you think there being and handful of Startbuck stores in touristic areas in a country with a strong tradition of coffee drinking is Starbucks being "a thing" there.
Last time I was in Portugal, 90% of the coffee was of the same aweful brand, think it was called Delta? Is that still as dominant?
Sadly, yes.
That's the one which IMHO tends to be over-roasted.
What does the map show?
Shows some countries around Europe in Green
Countries that Starbucks had conquered in Risk. This means they get an extra 5 armies on their next turn.
Looks like countries in Europe and North Africa with at least one Starbucks store.
From my own experience living in a couple of those countries, this doesn't mean much as Starbuck presence in some is pretty much residual with a handful of places in main cities or airports, serving mostly tourists (who, at least at first, don't know they can get better and way cheaper coffee - not to mention pastries - in the local coffee shops which are all over the place)
For example, the UK (which has zero coffee tradition, though it does have the imported notion of patisserie in places like London) has lots of Starbucks whilst for example there are all of 11 Starbucks shops (almost all of which in tourist areas, two of which in the Airport) in Lisbon which is the capital of Portugal (a city of 1 - 2 million people), whilst there are thousands (probably tens of thousands, as they're stupidly common) local coffee places just in Lisbon plus pretty much all local restaurants serve proper expressos made with properly roasted good quality Arabica beans (though Portugal does have a tendency for over-roasting) in Italian expresso machines.
That map most definitelly does not confirm the claim of Starbucks being a thing in Europe since a lot of that green is "is present", not "it's common", much less "has a large market share".
as someone who doesn't like coffee I can tell you what she's drinking is also coffee
Coffee flavoured dessert.
That's not dessert, that's more calories than a family of 5 needs in a week.
It appears to be 2 large caramel frappuccinos coming in at 470 calories apiece. So 940 calories.
Although I'm not very familiar with Starbucks drinks so could be something else.
Lot of calories to drink still
"American dessert" - is that more accurate?
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But there's more caffeine in that than in the gallon jug full of syrup and milk you get in the US.
We probably have as many normal cafes here as we have sugarbomb-starbucks corpo type places, especially in the cities. They'll serve you a 12oz or 16oz black coffee and you add what you want into it at a self service counter. I usually add a splash of oat milk.
Cold brew with a little oat milk is great
The same coffee + a gallon of water:
American coffee!
Not really, you're forgetting half a galon of sugars, syrups, creams and spices
I always forget that sugar never left the Americas. But at least you get tea with gag milk!
the americano is named for the us soldiers stationed in italy during wwii who would pour water into their espresso because it was "too strong". it's one part espresso to four parts water.
Probably not true? Though Wikipedia isn't an authoritative source obviously:
There is a popular belief that the name has its origins in World War II when American G.I.s in Italy diluted espresso with hot water to approximate the coffee to which they were accustomed. However, the Oxford English Dictionary cites the term as a borrowing from Central American Spanish café americano, a derisive term for mild coffee, dating back to the middle of the 1950s. Its first use in English appeared in the Jamaican newspaper The Sunday Gleaner in 1964. The term caffè americano entered Italian later than the English or Spanish uses, suggesting the term originates outside of Italy.
yeeeeah but it gets their panties in a twist
This is the same logic that elected Donald Trump
i think we need to update godwins law
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Coffee is brewed in ratios of beans:water that varies depending on the style being made. An espresso in Europe should be more or less the same size as an espresso in the states. Same for pour over, cold brew, lattes, etc
Yes but it also has 3× the caffeine compared to an American large. They're just efficient
Yeah, no… I’m there all the time. The coffee is the same as far as caffeine goes by type or volume. An espresso is an espresso, an Americano is the same as a normal cup of American coffee. Europe doesn’t have “magic beans” with triple the caffeine, and no sane person is ordering triple-shot European “large” cups to go. I bring home ground or whole coffee all the time, it’s the same.
What Europe does do is put the shot of coffee in a smaller “large” so you can actually taste the coffee and not drown it in as much milk or put sugary crap in it. The American norm is the “dessert” in a giant cup nominally called coffee, which is essentially a flavored milk drink with a dash of coffee. “Why is the coffee so much better here?” is something I hear often enough in Europe, and that’s the answer. Less crap.
🍺 vs 🥃
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“Coffee should be black as hell, strong as death and sweet as love”
Pathetic
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