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Mount Everest is a fake ass accomplishment for rich people anyway. You don’t carry all your shit, there are lines to the peak, garbage everywhere, it’s basically Times Square for CEOs who want to market themselves as ‘adventurers’. Slightly more death involved each year, but that has more to do with the weather than how Tough someone is.
They have luxury expeditions with private chefs, hot tubs and massages. Kinda misses the point in my opinion.
For those interested, hers is a video on the subject I recently watched:
Holy fuck. If you're a first time climber, you have a 1 in 6 chance of dying? That's insane.
Playing Russian roulette would be a lot cheaper.
Makes me think about how rich people apparently ruined Burning Man
We were just talking about that in our house. Some people have died waiting in line for a selfie.
And none of them are missed.
Its kind of like the opposite of a guillotine.
Doesn't always work, but when it does, you basically did it to yourself.
The corpse pile problem on Everest has been getting significantly worse for a while now.
... same thing, to a lesser extent, with the Titanic.
Maybe we could make an empathetic argument that there shouldn't be any billionaires: Having that much money makes you so stupid and encourages such risky behavior that really, you should be thanking us for not allowing you to get into a dangerous headspace.
It's a nice after-work walk you might say, nothing to it, just a few spots where you have to take your hands out of your pockets!
Doesn't make it a fake ass accomplishment
You can't just stroll up there still.
I've done up to 6000m, and hoping to do 7000m.
You do rely on sherpas, but it still isn't a day hike either. Even Hillary's team used sherpas to assist
What makes it fake is presenting it as the work of an individual, as those egotistical peak selfies and tedious biographies frequently do. (General) you didn’t make it to the peak, you were helped along by underpaid locals dragging around all the shit that is keeping you alive, who frequently lose their lives in an effort to support their families so some tech bro can get a selfie. It’s a gross way to spend $30k+.
You're being upvoted, but, what experience do you have mountaineering training? Any? Have you even got hiking experience
It feels like you're just saying stuff that simply sounds valid, but is distorted.
Re: point 6, oxygen content of air is usually 21%. Did you mean it's 30% of that normal 21%?
Yeah.. In terms of a percentage of normal o2 percentage I think.. I'm not a medical expert (so, i only know the basics)
https://mtnath.com/altitude/ shows both ways though (and the way I used).
So, I was actually wrong Island peak was approximately 45% percent. Everest is approximately 33% (they were off the top of my head). I just find that calculating this way is easier to understand.
It also goes into AMS, HAPE and HACE, which I actually forgot to mention at all. But basically, you either feel sick with AMS (I saw someone turn 20 years older, and go completely grey at 4500m), your brain can swell in your skull (HACE), or HAPE is when your lungs start filling with fluid.
Money can't buy immunity from these conditions, and, whether anyone helps, doesn't make easier for clients either (in fact, it makes it worse, if the help keeps pushing you). The reason the person I saw turned gray, was precisely because only myself and Sherpas were saying to go down. The rest of the group was encouraging him to push on.
I am a medical expert. I'm not trying to be overly pedantic but my point was that regular sea level air is around 21% oxygen so you were making it sound like the air at high elevations is higher than it is at sea level.
It's not a wording issue. The link you posted has a table that says 100% O2 at sea level. Literally every single figure in the chart on that page is wrong because they list it as "%O2" instead of saying percent of baseline, which would be out of 21%. So at sea level you're getting 100% of the normal oxygen in the air, which is 21%, and that declines, but the table is written incorrectly. It says that 8848 meters above sea level the content of air would be 33% oxygen. The table under that is more accurate.
It's just a bad table and bad writing. Idk if I'm explaining any of this properly.
It's good to get a medical expert to explain. I'm not sure I fully understand, however, I have noticed in the past 5-10 years, all the sites have slowly been moving away from the above graph (I can't even find the other 2 sites that used to have it).
So, the evidence seems to suggest you're right. but, wouldn't surprise me if its bad writing. I generally use the info off Alan Arnette's site instead. i just used this site because it had the table I was looking for, since I couldn't find it elsewhere. But, seems like a personal blog, and the picture probably came off facebook lol
A good company costs 60K minimum
You get how that’s even grosser, right?
Don't speak on behalf of the locals. I personally knew 2 different Sherpas
‘Don’t speak on behalf of the locals, allow me, who knew two dudes, to do so instead’? No, I think I’ll listen to reporting by the BBC, who talked to people whose livelihoods didn’t depend on telling them what they wanted to hear. Obviously some locals do want to climb, but you are delusional if you believe nobody is doing it for money to support their family.
Everything else you’re saying here is irrelevant, I never said it wasn’t physically challenging. It’s just immoral to climb Everest due to the local exploitation and environmental degradation inherent to climbing it. Outside of the nearly 20 lbs of waste each person creates climbing the mountain (the majority of which doesn’t get removed), there are also deforestation issues from locals over harvesting wood to meet tourist demand.
There is not an amount of explanation that is going to move me beyond those facts.
What's gross at this point, is that watching a bbc documentary doesn't make you a professional lol .You know no dudes, so, I know more dudes than you.
You're not even getting some of the basics right.
At this point you're throwing random things you heard from the documentary at the wall and simply claiming it's relevant. Big shocker, but a documentary is trying to paint a story. The funny thing is that on one of those documentaries, apparently my guide can be heard on the radio telling people to "go back to sleep".
Go do a mountaineering course, and then report back at how little of an accomplishment even 8000m is, let alone an altitude where your body is dying, and you have limited time to summit and return before it does.
And 30k is on the cheap end. I think the average is like 50-60k now. Over 100k if you go with the really high end companies. Its crazy.
Near the top though.
Fuck Everest. I wanna be the first person to climb Olympus Mons. Bigger challenge. Right off the bat, even the base of it has air too thin to breathe without special equipment. 😌
At this point I'm perfectly happy with my daily walk around Pubis Mons
Yo mamma so fat...wait a minute.
Got me thinking, Olympus Mons is the tallest peak in the solar system right? But there is no water on Mars.
Mount Everest is measured from sea level. If you measured from the bottom of the ocean it's there a taller peak somewhere on earth?
That would be Mauna Kea in Hawai’i
Cool, thanks! 9,330 m
Still not close to Olympus Mons but the more you know...
The lower gravity is a mitigating factor.
I've been planning my ascent since I was four.
I won't hesitate to Amundsen you.
Also it's so huge that it is basically flat. It's not a climb but a long trek.
That would never happen because women dont have bowel movements.
Left at green boots, right at shitting girl, and if you see jorking it guy, you've gone too far.
I mean, you'd be remembered in history, eh? It might come back every generation or so..."Dude! Look at what I found! This page shows that Shitting Girl is apparently someone forever stuck in a squat on Mount Everest! We have to go!"
They'd bring even more garbage up there in memoriam and some would die in prayer to the squatted wonder. Then one day, the mass of trash and accumulated snow would crack and the shitting wonder would avalanche to be lost until the aliens would track you down, freeze you in Carbonite, and sell you in the nearest intergalactic flea market. You get the idea.
I'd like to workshop how to make climbing Everest uncool amongst the stupid rich.
Make it inexpensive. They’ll drop it in a second.
Quite the opposite! Charge them ten million bucks. They'll all want to go and quite a few won't come back.
Worked for the Titan sub
Billionaire popsicle :L
I'd like to workshop how to make it more alluring and dangerous.
That was the worst part of my experience with going to altitude. I inevitably get tumbly guts and begin having gas like nobody's business. Damn my friend for telling me to go with him to the 14k peak one day after I arrived from sea level, but damn that stupid trail for making it so difficult to find a secluded place to spew my poor bowels' contents.
Frozen shit everywhere, tripping over dead people, lack of oxygen, rubbish strewn about, frostbite, lines and wait times to get to the peak ... sounds like a massive tourism drawcard!
Yeah, once you're above the treeline, you're on your own.
Can't miss it, right next to Green Boots