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[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 49 points 11 months ago

oh yes, very powerful Hamas, leader of an open air prison

[-] drearymoon@hexbear.net 44 points 11 months ago

Israel wants to commit genocide and the Palestinians want to be genocided. That's why both sides are bad.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

smuglord Someone was getting upset over my completely wrong use of the word genocide.

[-] Crowtee_Robot@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago

Modern liberalbrainworms regarding the use and execution of violence is perhaps the single greatest hurdle that has to be overcome if liberation is to be reached.

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

Can you put an /s in that title please, oof

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago
[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

Thanks, you did nothing wrong just had a strong emotional reaction to that before I got context

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

another way to go would be sPoNgEbOb cAsE, tips you off immediately

[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

Israel pushed for the foundation of Hamas so they can justify genocide (harder to do with secular movements). They're getting it completely backward.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

Unironically if I could push the genocide button on every numbskull that writes these idiotic takes I would

I’m sure it’d be like 100,000 people

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

(Presumably) White moderates. I can see why every revolutionary hated them

[-] LordBullingdon@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What is Hamas’ theory for success? Because inflicting violence until your oppressor realises that the cycle of violence needs to stop with them, and that they should stop oppressing you, is not a strategy that is likely to work in Israel. Because the Israeli state will always be more powerful than Hamas (in contrast to say, South Africa, where the white South Africans feared they would eventually be overwhelmed militarily by their opposition)

Not saying the violence is unjustified, I just don’t understand how it succeeds here

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago

Hamas’ theory of success is that if you kill your oppressors they can’t oppress you any more.

What else should they do? Sit around and beg for mercy from genocidal zealots?

[-] LordBullingdon@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

Sure, of course they should fight back, I was just wondering what success for Hamas looks like.

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

my working theory is that the Hamas plan was essentially something like:

  1. Break through the Gaza fence.
  2. Spread out across the local region, taking hostages and killing settlers; bring the hostages back to Gaza.
  3. Also try to reach places where Palestinians are being held in prisons in order to break them out and add fighters to the cause.
  4. With this done, allow yourself to be pushed back into Gaza.
  5. Israel puts Gaza under a siege that they might not be able to keep up if they have sent sufficient artillery ammunition to Ukraine; retaliate where possible against the siege.
  6. Eventually, Israel is forced to move ground forces into Gaza, which is an incredibly difficult urban environment filled to the brim with people who not only hate you, but have nothing to lose by trying to kill you and destroy your vehicles; attrit enough Israelis to force a favourable peace. Additionally, Hezbollah and possibly Syria may distract Israeli forces in the north.
[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

It's honestly not the worst plan in the world considering what they've been dealing with for the last couple decades. The bunker complexes are already built, and it doesn't seem like negotiations are making conditions any better, might as well try

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

It looks like not continuing to be genocided while the entire world nods in silent agreement.

It's not likely to be successful but the alternative is continuing to be slowly genocided.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

I imagine success looks like the destruction of the state. But that’s very difficult. The world is caught off guard because of the toll and efficiency of the attack, but Israel is still very advanced and has the US as the main benefactor. We’ve seen scrappy guerrillas take down advanced countries before, but it’s likely to happen in this case. But I’m hoping for a miracle

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

The strategy so far seems to be to take prisoners and use them as leverage, while shattering the myth of Israeli military invincibility and jeopardizing the top-down campaign of Israeli normalization across the Arab world

[-] ComradeLove@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Really its the Jews fault for peeving off Hitler so much - Joseph Sugarman

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

They're only committing war crimes so all is well - liberalism distilled

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