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On the flip side, it says that a person can use force, including deadly force, to prevent death or harm to themselves or another person.
So hypothetically, your doctor, is using lethal force, to prevent the person inside you from harming you.
Totally legal as the law is written.
IANAL ; best option is to move out of regressive states, and set the place on fire before you leave.
the law is a tool wielded against the working class by the ruling class, it will never protect you from them
to defeat fascism, you must organize. running away and random acts of violence accomplish nothing.
it is coming for you, wherever you run to.
join the IWW and get involved in local activist groups
More accurately: someone raped a 14 year old girl, the pregnancy has become ectopic. The punishment for trying to save her life is worse than the person who raped a 14 year old.
From a practical standpoint how does one prevent the death of an unborn child via the use of deadly force against its mother?
I think its more about legalizing shooting doctors. What a healthy country we live in.
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It's a law legalizing the murder of Planned Parenthood staff and Democrats who want to overturn the law.
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Is this just a way to shoot your pregnant mistress for free?
Only if she's trying to get an abortion
What's she going to do? Testify she wasn't?
I'm sure the burden of proof will be on the killer as is usually in self defence cases
We should probably try to find the girlfriend of this bill's sponsor. I'm concerned for her safety.
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Here is the proposed text of the NC state constitutional amendment affirming personhood at conception, then including:
Any person has the right to defend his or her own life or the life of another person, even by the use of deadly force if necessary, from willful destruction by another person.
Here is the NC Dept. of Health and Human Service’s required abortion information describing the state’s abortion laws. They ban after 12 weeks, with exceptions for rape and incest before 20 weeks, and life-threatening anomalies before 24 weeks.
Here from the Raleigh Observer quoting state democratic lawmaker Rep. Julie von Haefen:
Von Haefen said the bill is a distraction from other bills being voted on and passed, including multiple constitutional amendments concerning unions and taxes, at least some of which will be on the ballot for North Carolinians to weigh. She said the amendments “are being used to drive conservative voter turnout.”
And here is my take: NC state republicans use women’s healthcare as a political pawn for pushing anti-worker and anti-tax interests, which neatly encapsulates the US culture war for the past 60 years. This bill will not pass, because it is insane, but it may succeed in its intent: looting the pockets of the people of NC.
This bill will not pass, because it is insane, but it may succeed in its intent: looting the pockets of the people of NC.
how many times have we said "It wont happen, it cant happen, its too insane" in the past 10 years? only for it to very much happen?
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I swear to god they’re trying to legislate a civil war. They preach us vs them political rhetoric and want everyone running around with a gun. What a shit time to call yourself an American, but then again I’m not sure there ever was a good time.
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She doesn't even need to be pregnant, you just have to claim to believe she was about to commit an abortion. Free women murders for everyone!
It's worse when you realize the bill isn't about the woman, but her doctor.
Well that explains why it's ok to kill a woman and therefore her fetus to prevent her from killing her fetus. It's not, but you can keep every abortion doctor in the area to prevent them from performing the procedure.
Do you have to have "standing"? Like do you actually have to even know the woman or is this just an open bounty on doctors?
We already have a shortage of doctors as a whole and obstetricians have been fleeing red states for years now…
Wouldn't the use of deadly force to prevent the abortion actually aid the abortion?
Look, if they thought things through they wouldn’t be Republicans.
I'm increasingly the opinion that Republicans don't actually know where babies come from.
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I can't even... Use of deadly force to save a baby in a mother's womb? Are you like supposed also do a C-section right there on the spot so that the mother dies but the baby is fine?
Keep in mind, this is deadly force to prevent an abortion. Abortions are only done during the time that child is unviable. Essentially no providers give abortions past 24 weeks. So, even if you use deadly force to prevent an abortion, the baby is pretty much gauranteed to be unable to survive outside the mother at that point. You are then undoubtedly killing both mother and fetus.
haha I hadn't even factored that in, so insane...
Sounds like a fitting addition to the repo men scenario. Sadly this is reality.
"Pro life"
It's only pro life as long as the child is being carried.
Once the kids out, they don't give a fuck about the woman or her child. They could both die, and they'd have no issue with it.
they don't actually care about the child, or its mother, before it's born, either. if they did, our health care system wouldn't be a for-profit scam.
And they wouldn't be letting people use deadly force on pregnant women.
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It’s only pro life as long as the child is being carried.
Not even then, at this point. Using 'deadly force' on a pregnant woman is not going to go well for the fetus.
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Killing live people - women, children, POCs, poor, other countries, etc - has always been acceptable and even promoted by Republicans. It's only ending potential pregnancies when they "care" about lives. Except of course when it's their wife, mistress, daughter who wants an abortion, then it's ok.
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Lemme get this right...
If you see someone trying to kill a woman while claiming she's trying to get an abortion, you can kill this attacker without issue under the legal classification of acting to protect two people, including a soon-born. Is this what Republicans want? To facilitate the legal argument to kill right-wingers? Because I'd be totally fine with that.
By similar logic, couldn't one kill the legislators who passed this bill? They are clearly inviting violence upon pregnant women, so it should theoretically be legal to kill them in defense of those women if this bill passes.
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It doesn't sound like Hate, it sounds like Slavery.
Hate would be activelly going out and trying to kill women, whilst punishing them for not letting their bodies be used by others as objects is, IMHO, much more a Slaver's take on other human beings.
A Slaver's motivation would also be pretty in tune with Tradition for Republican members of the power elites in North Carolina.
It's a different and more complicated kind of hate. I find it useful to split bigotry into bigotry to dominate and bigotry to exterminate. American racism towards black people is the former, while American racism towards indigenous people is the latter.
Misogyny is almost always about domination, but it's a unique kind because they can't switch to extermination or even bluff it. They can't hide women away to exist quietly in the background. They're fully dependent on women to reproduce, and for most misogynistic men, for sexual pleasure. Many of them resent that they're dependent on those they see as inferior for such things and that they can be leveraged.
So yeah, this is hate, just a hate that they can deny because they don't want to think that they hate women, just women's independence.
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Removing the remnants of a miscarriage is also coded as an abortion. So theres still plenty of hate in this bill as well.
Hopefully they won't pass a law requiring shotgun weddings in the case of pregnancy.
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I think this pieces of shit see the handmaid's tale as a manual and not as a warning.
Doesn’t using deadly force on a pregnant woman defeat the purpose entirely?
Depends on what you think the true purpose of a law like this would be.
Not if you're using deadly force against a doctor willing to perform an abortion, which is the more likely intent of the law.
Or the driver taking her somewhere. Or the person who called the driver.
And so on.
I didn’t even think of that. This is just gonna green light a lot of psychopathic behavior.
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This could be a completely serious Orphan Crushing Machine solution in the minds of conservative basic dickheads.
"If somebody is already gonna go out in a blaze of glory, why not point them towards doctors and women's healthcare rather than schools? Nailed it."
"Republicans hate women"
I think even republicans know that republicans hate women at this point
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