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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I dunno. The local Italian deli (I am so fortunate. I have a Jewish deli, a German deli, and an Italian deli all in bike range of my home. I literally became a food critic to get someone else to pay me to find a good sandwich when I moved away from home the first time.) has a foccacia that inspires violence (when you don't have foccacia) and kittens (there is a bike trail with cat colonies right next to all three restaurants. Which come up think of it one is like 25 miles away. It's a nice trail. But I like eating my sammies with the other strays)

There's a reason I'm back in the area I grew up. Only half of it is food.

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 15 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

yeah they really don't seem to understand the importance of holding up the FREE end of the bread and circuses contract

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 6 points 11 hours ago

They learned they don't have to.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 26 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

And then the Blues lost

[–] aldhissla@piefed.world 5 points 13 hours ago

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VENETOI! VENETOI! VENETOI!

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

Go greens!

[–] Griffus@lemmy.zip 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That ankle better get it together, though.

[–] Codilingus@piefed.social 3 points 15 hours ago

Just gotta find a will to live through unsanctioned romance!

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago

No one is handing you a ticket, just turn on Fox Noise. I don’t because it’s bad for sanity.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -2 points 21 hours ago (9 children)

This is my own personal opinion, which is why this is staying up. But when has a revolution worked in the last 20 years?

  • The military would shut that shit down in a second. The reason they didn't on jan 6 was because a lot of the military was on that side.
  • They would install a military dude that is also a dictator
  • Creating a new government is fucking hard

Hey, let's fix the old one.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Arab spring? Yeah it had some pretty bad outcomes in some places (Syria) but go look at the list of outcomes, from total overthrow of a despot, to democratisation of some states, and major government concessions and strengthening of people-power precedents in others.

The Madian revolt in Ukraine resulted in the overthrow of a despotic Russian lackey and move towards proper democracy and European alignment.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

total overthrow of a despot

That was Egypt, right? It takes ten, twenty years at least for a revolution to settle into stable government. How is that going?

[–] Pirasp@lemmy.world 23 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It worked Ukraine 2014

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I wouldn't call it successful yet, but it's definitely getting better:

The Revolution of Dignity (Ukrainian: Революція гідності, romanized: Revoliutsiia hidnosti), also known as the Maidan Revolution or the Ukrainian Revolution,[2] took place in Ukraine in February 2014[a] at the end of the Euromaidan protests.[1] Scores of protesters were killed by government forces during clashes in the capital Kyiv. Parliament then voted to remove President Viktor Yanukovych, return to the 2004 Constitution of Ukraine, and call new elections. The revolution prompted Russia to occupy Crimea, starting the Russo-Ukrainian war.[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't the point to get rid of yachenko and have a new election, so they could rely/orient to Europe more?.... Seems like that's happened.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago

What a shitty victim blaming, kremlin fueled, garbage post.

"Yes we should become slaves because if we fight back the bad person will hit us"

Fix that post.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago

It worked for Portugal in 1974

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Rojava's immense social revolution has continued to hold on despite everyone and their grandmother trying to bomb the shit out of them.

In Armenia, Nepal, and Ukraine, less all-encompassing revolutions have occurred to successfully change leadership while maintaining the structure of a liberal capitalist republic. Albania may well join this list soon.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

In general hicks that are hard to get to with strong beliefs are really hard to stop. This is true in Rojava and Chiapas where I see them as models of a better world and in Afghanistan where I see them as harbingers of a worse one.

Revolution relies on stopping you either being impossible or not worthwhile. Extremists in difficult terrain that they call home are going to take a long fight where they win most of the battles to actually stop. Meanwhile a slight shift towards something most people want and most of the remainder can live with works because the cost of concession for the soldiers and lower officials is small and the cost of fighting is pissing everyone else off and damaging your population and international reputation while increasing the risk to all government involved people if the revolution succeeds.

The worst case scenario for the average soldier and revolutionary is a civil war type situation where neither side can concede, compromise, or decisively control the majority or where they miscalculate those factors

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

There's the Tunisian revolution which worked for a while but they seem to be backsliding now too.

But yeah, more an exception to the rule as every other Arab state that had a revolution recently, turned into a dictatorship or failed state.

jan 6 was because a lot of the military was on that side.

Getting the military on your side is sort of necessary for a successful revolution. Look at the Bolsheviks, the October revolution relied on them getting a good chunk of the rank and file of the military on there side with the promise of getting a peace deal so they don't have to go back to the front lines to get mowed down by german machine guns.

[–] greenskye@lemmy.zip 5 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I think light revolutions work. Stuff like what France does where they riot and start burning cars when the government tries to raise the retirement age. The kind of stuff that reminds the politicians that they could be dragged out into the streets by an angry mob, but that hasn't happened yet.

Actual revolutions where you do need to go that far, mostly fail as you said. Additionally, foreign meddling is common, so even if you can deal with everything else, outside actors are going to try to screw with you. And they'll typically succeed.

Without any sort of violence at all, you become a non-threat and we get what we currently have in America today. No one cares about the protests because they aren't going to do anything at all to the people they most need to affect.

Basically you need a sweet spot of minor levels of violence without fully going full revolution or being neutered into irrelevancy since they know you'll never fight back.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago

Renee Good and the other guy who was executed because he had a gun at a protest. I can't find his name. I want to say Matthew Sweet? He was a nurse I think.

[–] Terminarchs@slrpnk.net 2 points 13 hours ago

The government did raise the retirement age.

Granted, the riots have made this an attractive talking point for candidates for the coming presidential election, but that's about it.

Such riots may look amazingly violent to an outsider, but as a frenchman I don't think we'll get anything nice without going MUCH further than a day of planned (with the police), organised chaos in a designated street of Paris.

[–] greenskye@lemmy.zip 2 points 17 hours ago

This is also mostly how modern geopolitics seems to work. Lots of little 'skirmishes' that aren't actual war alongside more traditional diplomacy. The ideal seems to be mostly peace with a touch of violence here and there to keep people on their toes.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago

I don’t know, but the Taliban won?

[–] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting time frame.

[–] rapchee@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

gotta make the argument work

[–] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, cuts it down to like three.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

20 years? You think things are only as bad as 2006?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago

I said 20 years because of the military knowing so much about every citizen and being incredibly strong.