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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago (8 children)

😂

Holy shit, did Putin give Iran the pee tapes or something?

I don't think the USA has ever had such a humiliating loss in war.

Could he have gotten a worse deal?

[–] artyom@piefed.social 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Really a humiliating time for America in general.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's fine, we're used to it at this point.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There’s also a broader implication here.

If the US ever goes to war with China (by necessity it choice), for the foreseeable future all China has to do is have their ally choke off the strait of Hormuz and the US will crumple in months.

The reason the US is surrendering is because they are about to lose oil production capacity domestically; they hit the threshold of not enough oil to pressurize domestic pipelines.

That happened because they never filled the strategic reserve, and lashed out at any price increases, and bragged about how they can now sell so much extra oil now.

So any conflict with China will utterly destroy the US (and world) economy. The US is too far into late stage capitalism to ween off oil, so they’re fucked by their own choices.

The US is now officially unable to combat China.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And that's ignoring that a war with China will mean access to the world's factory will be cut off, meaning shelves in stores will go bare and prices will skyrocket even more for things produced outside of China (assuming China isn't involved in some way in another part of that supply chain).

The notion of us (the US) winning a real war when we don't fucking make anything any more is beyond ludicrous. We won WWII (and WWI for that matter) because we made nearly fucking everything at the time. And whatever we didn't make we could have made if necessary.

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago

Yes. And they will because Lebanon is still in this deal and Netanyahu has ALL the Epstein files anf no desire to leave Lebanon

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just to be sure, this only concerns nuclear energy, not bombs.

[–] mech@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, that was the status quo since the US kickstarted the Iranian nuclear program in the 50's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran#Origins_under_the_Shah_(1950s%E2%80%931970s)

And also part of the deal Obama had made with Iran, before Trump canceled it cause he wanted Iran to have no nuclear program at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_the_Iran_nuclear_deal

So Trump now agreed to pay Iran $400 billion and let them collect fees for the Strait Of Hormuz, in order to get them to reinstate Obama's deal.

[–] Mantzy81@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago

I dunno, Vietnam and Afghanistan were pretty embarrassing too but just on a longer timeline

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 1 points 2 days ago

He has so many footnotes by his name now, we may have run out of conventional symbols to use, and now have emojis for some of his exceptions to a typical President.

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

9/11 was the first sacking of Rome

This is the second sacking?

Soon will we see Trump pleading for a foreign emperor to save him from having his powers stripped away...?

[–] mech@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Rome fell when the Emperor became nothing more than a puppet of powerful warlords, government institutions were corrupted by the rich elite, taxes were spent on grotesque spectacles and bribes instead of infrastructure, and its allies couldn't rely on Rome's protection anymore and turned away.
Contributing factors may have been widespread lead poisoning and a changing climate.
So nothing like the US...

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah that sounds absolutely nothing like what's happening now.

Side note: apparently the most common cause of an empire collapsing is an overproduction of elites who fight for money and power, and are willing to sell out their empire to foreign interests to get ahead of their peers.

It would really suck to live in a world like that.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

He most likely is being paid off.

[–] NM_Gringo@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And the Republican Congress stood by and did nothing.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, they do have a right to a nuclear program. At least as much of a right as France or South Korea or Israel, anyway.

I fucking wish the Republican Congress would have stood by and done nothing, rather than green lighting trillions of dollars in war funding that made the nightmare of the last three months possible.

[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does South Korea have nukes now?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

South Korea operates 26 nuclear reactors with a total capacity of approximately 25.6 GWe, supplying around 31.7% of the country’s electricity

[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

My bad. I substituted "weapons" for "program" in my head

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

That's by design, unfortunately

[–] EchoVerse@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

You werent the only one lol 😅

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Israel will love that. But he's right, Iran does have a right to a nuclear deterence same as everyone else.

edit: oh, I see, trump was talking about nuclear power, not nuclear deterence. But with Israel saber rattling their nukes I think Iran has a fair right to their own on a ground of right of self defense of an obvious aggressor.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

*pounding feverishly*

"Yeah baby. C'mon Donnie, say it. Tell me, who's your ayatollah? Scream it loud! Who's your ayatollah?"

What a godamned embarrassment of a "man" and all those Republican sycophants right along with him.

[–] BiggestPiggest@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I’ll give you 300b and everything else you want, just send 10b to my offshore account.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

What's the collective wealth of Congress and Trump's administration? Should be enough to cover 300 bil

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 days ago

I mean he is right for ounce.